A new member's perception - but are these points true or false?

[Mr Gray]

It's only ridiculous to you as an unquestioning defender of the parents.

The rest of us live amongst the majority of the population who will wonder if police find nothing down the route they have chosen to take.

 you assume I am unquestioning....you are wrong... I would say I am more questioning than you . You accept any evidence WITHOUT QUESTION   that suits your agenda. I have come to my decision by questioning all the evidence.

[Mr Gray]

Not sure that the first two will be in power by then and the third may be a convicted criminal

remember when posters were saying the McCanns were protected by Blair... and once the govt went, then   ..tick tock

[Mr Gray]

And what they will do if they don't find anything. Give up or look elsewhere?

 Any decent police force ..ie SY will have looked at the parents first and either charged them or ruled them out

[Wonderfulspam]

you assume I am unquestioning....you are wrong... I would say I am more questioning than you . You accept any evidence WITHOUT QUESTION   that suits your agenda. I have come to my decision by questioning all the evidence.

The PJ did the same....

From all that was presented, the process results in the following:

A) the child Madeleine McCann died in apartment 5A of the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz, on the evening of the 3rd of May 2007;

B) an abduction was simulated;

C) in order to make the child's death impossible before 10 p.m., a situation of checking the McCann couple's children while they slept, was made up;

D) Kate McCann and Gerald McCann are involved in the concealment of the cadaver of their daughter, Madeleine McCann;

E) at this moment, there seem to be no strong indications yet, that the child's death didn't result from a tragic accident;

F) from what was established until now, everything indicates that the McCann couple, in self defence, don't want to hand the cadaver over in an immediate and voluntary manner, and there is a strong probability that said cadaver was moved from its initial location. This situation is susceptible of raising questions about the circumstances under which the child's death happened."

***

Therefore, we suggest that the case files are sent to the Republic’s Prosecutor, in the Lagos legal district, for:

G) a possible new questioning of the arguidos Kate and Gerald McCann;

H) an evaluation of the measure of restraint to be applied in this case;

During the house search at the McCann couple’s residence, a diary style manuscript was found, already photocopied, possibly authored by Kate McCann; admitting that it may contain information that may help to reach the material truth of facts, WE PROPOSE THAT:

I) the photocopies of said document are presented to the illustrious Judge for the purpose of its apprehension, if legal, its translation and eventual collection of information to be included in the process files, as necessary for the investigation.

At this date, I subject the case files to your appreciation, for you to determine whatever you may see as convenient, hence I open:

CONCLUSION

On the tenth of September, two thousand and seven

Chief Inspector

(Tavares de Almeida)

[jassi]

remember when posters were saying the McCanns were protected by Blair... and once the govt went, then   ..tick tock

Oh indeed. And if you go down that line of thought, then the 'interference' would have to be at a very high level.

[jassi]

Any decent police force ..ie SY will have looked at the parents first and either charged them or ruled them out

You would certainly expect so.

[Lyall]

Any decent police force ..ie SY will have looked at the parents first and either charged them or ruled them out

They would if it were you or I. But Madeleine's parents have a huge powerful lobby supporting them. And the PM. And Clegg and Miliband. And so on.

This isn't a normal case. It's uncharted territory.

[Mr Gray]

The PJ did the same....

From all that was presented, the process results in the following:

A) the child Madeleine McCann died in apartment 5A of the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz, on the evening of the 3rd of May 2007;

B) an abduction was simulated;

C) in order to make the child's death impossible before 10 p.m., a situation of checking the McCann couple's children while they slept, was made up;

D) Kate McCann and Gerald McCann are involved in the concealment of the cadaver of their daughter, Madeleine McCann;

E) at this moment, there seem to be no strong indications yet, that the child's death didn't result from a tragic accident;

F) from what was established until now, everything indicates that the McCann couple, in self defence, don't want to hand the cadaver over in an immediate and voluntary manner, and there is a strong probability that said cadaver was moved from its initial location. This situation is susceptible of raising questions about the circumstances under which the child's death happened."

***

Therefore, we suggest that the case files are sent to the Republic’s Prosecutor, in the Lagos legal district, for:

G) a possible new questioning of the arguidos Kate and Gerald McCann;

H) an evaluation of the measure of restraint to be applied in this case;

During the house search at the McCann couple’s residence, a diary style manuscript was found, already photocopied, possibly authored by Kate McCann; admitting that it may contain information that may help to reach the material truth of facts, WE PROPOSE THAT:

I) the photocopies of said document are presented to the illustrious Judge for the purpose of its apprehension, if legal, its translation and eventual collection of information to be included in the process files, as necessary for the investigation.

At this date, I subject the case files to your appreciation, for you to determine whatever you may see as convenient, hence I open:

CONCLUSION

On the tenth of September, two thousand and seven

Chief Inspector

(Tavares de Almeida)

 if you read the archiving report it says all the evidence that was used to make the McCanns arguidos was basically wrong

[Mr Gray]

The PJ did the same....

From all that was presented, the process results in the following:

A) the child Madeleine McCann died in apartment 5A of the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz, on the evening of the 3rd of May 2007;

B) an abduction was simulated;

C) in order to make the child's death impossible before 10 p.m., a situation of checking the McCann couple's children while they slept, was made up;

D) Kate McCann and Gerald McCann are involved in the concealment of the cadaver of their daughter, Madeleine McCann;

E) at this moment, there seem to be no strong indications yet, that the child's death didn't result from a tragic accident;

F) from what was established until now, everything indicates that the McCann couple, in self defence, don't want to hand the cadaver over in an immediate and voluntary manner, and there is a strong probability that said cadaver was moved from its initial location. This situation is susceptible of raising questions about the circumstances under which the child's death happened."

***

Therefore, we suggest that the case files are sent to the Republic’s Prosecutor, in the Lagos legal district, for:

G) a possible new questioning of the arguidos Kate and Gerald McCann;

H) an evaluation of the measure of restraint to be applied in this case;

During the house search at the McCann couple’s residence, a diary style manuscript was found, already photocopied, possibly authored by Kate McCann; admitting that it may contain information that may help to reach the material truth of facts, WE PROPOSE THAT:

I) the photocopies of said document are presented to the illustrious Judge for the purpose of its apprehension, if legal, its translation and eventual collection of information to be included in the process files, as necessary for the investigation.

At this date, I subject the case files to your appreciation, for you to determine whatever you may see as convenient, hence I open:

CONCLUSION

On the tenth of September, two thousand and seven

Chief Inspector

(Tavares de Almeida)

 Secondly ...and I would like an answer but wont get one... WHAT EVIDENCE did the pj have to make these accusations

[jassi]

Hello there! I am fencesitter with this case but trying to be fair to all but I am just thinking about point 12 about the reconstruction, I don't think they refused?

No. nothing as definite as a direct refusal.
I think ( am open to correction) that they said they were willing to go back if the others did, but the rest of their friends declined.

added.  Logically, a reconstruction should have been carried out  right at the begining while the whole group were still there

[Mr Gray]

Secondly ...and I would like an answer but wont get one... WHAT EVIDENCE did the pj have to make these accusations

 So no reply from spam...that's the problem when there are pro McCanns on forums...they ask for evidence and all the accusations fall apart

[jassi]

Hello there jassi! I will read up a bit more on this but I did think that the police in PDL said no to a recon in the days after the little girl went missing?

That may be so. I was referring to later when all the Tapas group were back in UK.

[Benice]

Scotland Yard commenting on the review in an FOI response, October 2011

"High profile reviews, such as this one, are highly emotive and the manner in which they are conducted are usually kept in strict secrecy so that the tactics and lines of enquiry that are followed do not become public knowledge thereby rendering them useless."

So do you think it's all a big conspiracy then - and the UK police and the Portuguese team are simply lulling the McCanns and their friends into a false sense of security before they pounce?  And we the public have been made unwitting participants in this ginormous  conspiracy by SY?       Pull the other one.

As far as I'm concerned the above statement is saying they are not going to give a running commentary to publicise their findings to the general public -  for obvious reasons.   

The McCanns are not part of the general public in this instance and as a result of their investigations SY have been able to eliminate them as suspects or persons of interest.  IMO It really is that simple.

[jassi]

. My opinion is that we really won't know just what is going on until SY announce their findings.
In the meantime, people can assert what they like, as its meaningless.

[Candi]

The point of the exercise is not to find out what happened to Madeliene but to disrupt as many posts and threads as people can. Their agenda I have no idea, but you cant have a sensible debate with them Candi.

I totally AGREE with you.

The one thing I know of that EVERYONE HAVES (sorry not shouting using for emphasis lol), is a MOBILE PHONE.

Even 4 and 5 year olds have a mobile phone, some have Ipads too lol. I dont know of anyone actually who hasnt got a mobile phone, even my mum has a mobile phone and she is 91, and my mother in law had one too and she was 92 when she died.

So the obvious thing would be to pick your phone up and ring your hubby or even dial a friend at the table....

Maddy isnt here, I cant find her come quick or similar or even TEXT, its so obvious.

Now you are thinking your daughter has been abducted what do you do?

1. Run out of the door leaving 2 young vulnerable children ALONE in the bedroom
or
2. Use your mobile phone to get help (even ring reception), or shout as loud as you can to get help.

You would NEVER leave your children on their own with the knowledge that your other child could have been snatched.

Well most normal people wouldnt anyway. And we are not talking about just anyone here, we are talking about a trained doctor who is trained to act in a crisis even if they are mothers they would still protect the children that were still in the room.

No I too found it very odd, and actually wondered if it wasnt another forum myth.....

Yes strange regarding the phones, is this the night that the whole group decided not to use their phones..  aww and well done to your mother in law being able to use a mobile at 92 because they can be fiddly little things ! :)