A new member's perception - but are these points true or false?

[Benice]

Mrs McCann was scared, being in an accelerating car. I can understand that. I like to drive fast (when needed), but I hate to be driven fast. However, in dramatic circumstances, one would think that the idea of Madeleine being found would have overwhelmed her and her fears.

Below are Kate's and Amarals descriptions of that event.     .
 
Which version is most likely to be true  - considering this was the very next day after Madeleine had disappeared and hopes would still be relatively high that she would be found - and also considering that Amaral wasn't  there to see how they reacted.   
 
From Kates book
 
It was seven thirty by the time one of the PJ officers drove us away from the polilce station.  Angela Morado came with us.   Ten or fifteen minutes into our journey the police officer had a call from his station.  He said something to Angela, who explained that he'd been ordered to return us to the police station straight away.  He wasn't allowed to tell us why.  Already driving at quite a scary speed, he suddenly swung the car into a U turn, floored the accelerator and drove us at a life-threatening 120mph plus back towards Portimao.  I cannot overstate how terrifying this was.  Had Madeleline been found?  Please God. Was she alive? Was she dead?  Gerry and I clung on to each other for dear life.  I was crying hysterically and praying for all I was worth. 
 
Back at the police station we endured at least another ten minutes of torture in the waiting area before somebody showed us a photograh,clearly taken from CCTV, of a blond child with a woman in a petrol-station shop.  We weren't told anything about this, just asked whether the little girl was Madeleine. .  She wasn't.  And that was that.  Again we were sent on our way, utterly devastated.

From Amarals book
 
FIRST EYE WITNESS STATEMENTS; KATE HEALY'S SURPRISING REACTION

Madeleine's parents are already back in Vila da Luz when we receive photos taken on an area of the motorway: you can make out the figure of a little girl, who looks like Madeleine, accompanied by a couple. These images come from a CCTV camera on the motorway linking Lagos to the Spanish border. The McCanns are asked to come to Portimao in order to proceed to an identification. It's the end of the day. Kate Healy seems annoyed at coming back and made uncomfortable by the speed of the police car taking her. We are somewhat astonished by her reaction, as if she was not expecting to get her daughter back. The identification turns out negative.
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IMO opinion in those circumstances  - to call them back like that with no explanation, even if it was unintentional, bordered on the sadistic.     It would appear that even the driver thought something extremely important had happened - hence the speed at which he drove them back to the police station imo.   

[Mr Gray]

Below are Kate's and Amarals descriptions of that event.     .
 
Which version is most likely to be true  - considering this was the very next day after Madeleine had disappeared and hopes would still be relatively high that she would be found - and also considering that Amaral wasn't  there to see how they reacted.   
 
From Kates book
 
It was seven thirty by the time one of the PJ officers drove us away from the polilce station.  Angela Morado came with us.   Ten or fifteen minutes into our journey the police officer had a call from his station.  He said something to Angela, who explained that he'd been ordered to return us to the police station straight away.  He wasn't allowed to tell us why.  Already driving at quite a scary speed, he suddenly swung the car into a U turn, floored the accelerator and drove us at a life-threatening 120mph plus back towards Portimao.  I cannot overstate how terrifying this was.  Had Madeleline been found?  Please God. Was she alive? Was she dead?  Gerry and I clung on to each other for dear life.  I was crying hysterically and praying for all I was worth. 
 
Back at the police station we endured at least another ten minutes of torture in the waiting area before somebody showed us a photograh,clearly taken from CCTV, of a blond child with a woman in a petrol-station shop.  We weren't told anything about this, just asked whether the little girl was Madeleine. .  She wasn't.  And that was that.  Again we were sent on our way, utterly devastated.

From Amarals book
 
FIRST EYE WITNESS STATEMENTS; KATE HEALY'S SURPRISING REACTION

Madeleine's parents are already back in Vila da Luz when we receive photos taken on an area of the motorway: you can make out the figure of a little girl, who looks like Madeleine, accompanied by a couple. These images come from a CCTV camera on the motorway linking Lagos to the Spanish border. The McCanns are asked to come to Portimao in order to proceed to an identification. It's the end of the day. Kate Healy seems annoyed at coming back and made uncomfortable by the speed of the police car taking her. We are somewhat astonished by her reaction, as if she was not expecting to get her daughter back. The identification turns out negative.
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IMO opinion in those circumstances  - to call them back like that with no explanation, even if it was unintentional, bordered on the sadistic.     It would appear that even the driver thought something extremely important had happened - hence the speed at which he drove them back to the police station imo.   

 Well done for sorting out these two conflicting accounts of the incident. it shows the truth as told by Kate and the misinterpretation by amamral.. Its a shame people want to peddle false accounts of incidents like this..If you want to find the truth about what happened to maddie....its no good starting with lies, as many seem to do unfortunately

[Benice]

Well done for sorting out these two conflicting accounts of the incident. it shows the truth as told by Kate and the misinterpretation by amamral.. Its a shame people want to peddle false accounts of incidents like this..If you want to find the truth about what happened to maddie....its no good starting with lies, as many seem to do unfortunately

Thankyou Davel.    Note the nasty innuendo in this following extract from his account.    Also note the use of the word 'WE'  - imo to give the reader the impression that he personally witnessed their reactions.   

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Kate Healy seems annoyed at coming back and made uncomfortable by the speed of the police car taking her.  We are somewhat astonished by her reaction, as if she was not expecting to get her daughter back

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[Lace]

Thankyou Davel.    Note the nasty innuendo in this following extract from his account.    Also note the use of the word 'WE'  - imo to give the reader the impression that he personally witnessed their reactions.   

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Kate Healy seems annoyed at coming back and made uncomfortable by the speed of the police car taking her.  We are somewhat astonished by her reaction, as if she was not expecting to get her daughter back

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I noticed that too Benice and the 'as if she was not expecting to get her daughter back'   in other words he is saying that he believed they knew she was dead and not coming back.

Twisted for the reader.

[Aiofe]

I noticed that too Benice and the 'as if she was not expecting to get her daughter back'   in other words he is saying that he believed they knew she was dead and not coming back.

Twisted for the reader.

It is on misrememberings and distortions like this that the libel case will be decided.

[j.rob]

Very interesting. I find Amaral's account more convincing than Kate's account. He noted that she appeared to already have prior knowledge that her daughter would not be coming back.

I read her book - this extract is interesting in terms of the language used for dramatic effect. 'I cannot overstate how terrifying this was'.........but why would anything now be more terrifying than the knowledge (according to Kate) that your daughter had been abducted by a paedophile? I'm not sure why this incident in the car would be so terrifying...surely there would be some hope?

'The McCanns are asked to come to an identification'........that suggests to me that the police or someone had found a child who looked like Madeleine.....so surely Kate would be holding out some hope........

Notice the words she used after the identification: 'and that was that'. If you were a mother whose child had recently gone missing and you were called at a relatively early stage to identify a child that might be yours, there would be a flow of emotions surrounding this event. But no - 'that was that'. Sure, she throws in the 'utterly devasted' phrase but it sounds like an empty phrase, there for effect.

I find Amaral's version of events more authentic: 'we were somewhat astonished by her reaction, as if she was not expecting to get her daughter back.'

This would be consistent with a mother that had some prior knowledge of what had really happened.

Amaral is a detective - it's his job to observe how people behave. He made an observation about finding her behaviour inconsistent with a mother who is trying to locate a mssing child.

Kate and Gerry's behaviour was extraordinary from the word go. And the bowing incident is weird. Again, it suggests some kind of supplication or atonement, as though they had some prior knowledge of what had happened.

I'm neither pro Amaral or anti McCann. I am just laying out my opinion based on my observations of what I have read and seen. I simply do not find the McCann's convincing and the media circus around the 'sightings' is verging on offensive. How would she be recognizable, apart from anything else?

[Aiofe]

Very interesting. I find Amaral's account more convincing than Kate's account. He noted that she appeared to already have prior knowledge that her daughter would not be coming back.

I read her book - this extract is interesting in terms of the language used for dramatic effect. 'I cannot overstate how terrifying this was'.........but why would anything now be more terrifying than the knowledge (according to Kate) that your daughter had been abducted by a paedophile? I'm not sure why this incident in the car would be so terrifying...surely there would be some hope?

'The McCanns are asked to come to an identification'........that suggests to me that the police or someone had found a child who looked like Madeleine.....so surely Kate would be holding out some hope........

Notice the words she used after the identification: 'and that was that'. If you were a mother whose child had recently gone missing and you were called at a relatively early stage to identify a child that might be yours, there would be a flow of emotions surrounding this event. But no - 'that was that'. Sure, she throws in the 'utterly devasted' phrase but it sounds like an empty phrase, there for effect.

I find Amaral's version of events more authentic: 'we were somewhat astonished by her reaction, as if she was not expecting to get her daughter back.'

This would be consistent with a mother that had some prior knowledge of what had really happened.

Amaral is a detective - it's his job to observe how people behave. He made an observation about finding her behaviour inconsistent with a mother who is trying to locate a mssing child.

Kate and Gerry's behaviour was extraordinary from the word go. And the bowing incident is weird. Again, it suggests some kind of supplication or atonement, as though they had some prior knowledge of what had happened.

I'm neither pro Amaral or anti McCann. I am just laying out my opinion based on my observations of what I have read and seen. I simply do not find the McCann's convincing and the media circus around the 'sightings' is verging on offensive. How would she be recognizable, apart from anything else?

I suppose what it comes down to is that people with nasty minds have nasty thoughts!

[Luz]

Below are Kate's and Amarals descriptions of that event.     .
 
Which version is most likely to be true  - considering this was the very next day after Madeleine had disappeared and hopes would still be relatively high that she would be found - and also considering that Amaral wasn't  there to see how they reacted.   
 
From Kates book
 
It was seven thirty by the time one of the PJ officers drove us away from the polilce station.  Angela Morado came with us.   Ten or fifteen minutes into our journey the police officer had a call from his station.  He said something to Angela, who explained that he'd been ordered to return us to the police station straight away.  He wasn't allowed to tell us why.  Already driving at quite a scary speed, he suddenly swung the car into a U turn, floored the accelerator and drove us at a life-threatening 120mph plus back towards Portimao.  I cannot overstate how terrifying this was.  Had Madeleline been found?  Please God. Was she alive? Was she dead?  Gerry and I clung on to each other for dear life.  I was crying hysterically and praying for all I was worth. 
 
Back at the police station we endured at least another ten minutes of torture in the waiting area before somebody showed us a photograh,clearly taken from CCTV, of a blond child with a woman in a petrol-station shop.  We weren't told anything about this, just asked whether the little girl was Madeleine. .  She wasn't.  And that was that.  Again we were sent on our way, utterly devastated.

From Amarals book
 
FIRST EYE WITNESS STATEMENTS; KATE HEALY'S SURPRISING REACTION

Madeleine's parents are already back in Vila da Luz when we receive photos taken on an area of the motorway: you can make out the figure of a little girl, who looks like Madeleine, accompanied by a couple. These images come from a CCTV camera on the motorway linking Lagos to the Spanish border. The McCanns are asked to come to Portimao in order to proceed to an identification. It's the end of the day. Kate Healy seems annoyed at coming back and made uncomfortable by the speed of the police car taking her. We are somewhat astonished by her reaction, as if she was not expecting to get her daughter back. The identification turns out negative.
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IMO opinion in those circumstances  - to call them back like that with no explanation, even if it was unintentional, bordered on the sadistic.     It would appear that even the driver thought something extremely important had happened - hence the speed at which he drove them back to the police station imo.   

Poor little Kate didn't have a mouth to ask if, as she wrote, she was not informed??! Poor excuses for obnoxious behaviour that had been revealed long before.

[j.rob]

Presumably, the police were trying to respond with urgency to the possibility that Madeleine had been found, hence the breakneck speed. They were feeling under pressure.

[Luz]

Presumably, the police were trying to respond with urgency to the possibility that Madeleine had been found, hence the breakneck speed. They were feeling under pressure.

Something that Mrs. McCann was not, according with her written words. She only felt pressure about her own safety. As always.

[j.rob]

Indeed. Why would been driven by police to an identification of your potentially missing child be more terrifying than discovering that your child had been abducted by a paedophile (as believed by the McCanns despite an absence of evidence?

'People with nasty minds have nasty thoughts'.......I am pondering on that phrase..........it appears to be quite apt in this particular case........

It's interesting how people eventually hang themselves with their own words.

[Wonderfulspam]

Those are doctors thoughts...you would be amazed how doctors talk and think

Those 2 doctors, amazed?  No, disturbed is more appropriate.

[AnneGuedes]

Well done for sorting out these two conflicting accounts of the incident. it shows the truth as told by Kate and the misinterpretation by amamral.. Its a shame people want to peddle false accounts of incidents like this..If you want to find the truth about what happened to maddie....its no good starting with lies, as many seem to do unfortunately

No, Davel, it doesn't "show the truth as told by Mrs McCann and misinterpretation by Mr Amaral". The only common fact is that Mrs McCann was scared by the accelerating car. You have no evidence to assume that this was deliberate "torture" as suggested by Mrs McCann. From what I know of the Portuguese and their absolute adoration for kids, I very much doubt that the speed was intended to frighten the parents. I think they thought they found Madeleine and the speed betrayed that hope.

[j.rob]

There's another miconception about this case - that doctors are over-anxious about their childrens' safety. On the contrary, my parents were doctors and they most definitley were not over-anxious.

Quite the opposite. They were incredibly lax about our health and safety - verging on the point of neglect, actually. We were the kids running around with no shoes on at 11pm.

In actual fact, I am often astounded by how cavalier medical professionals can be about other people's health and safety. I suppose it is because they are dealing with sick or injured people (or worried well) all day so there is a risk of complacency.

They are worried about their own health, though, and make sure they get the best treatment. That has been my observation.

[Luz]

Wawwww

That's news for me: "doctor's thoughts"!