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Aiofe

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Re: A new member's perception - but are these points true or false?
« Reply #330 on: November 09, 2013, 04:00:41 PM »

The question is not about taking risks with the children, it's about lying about what happened to them.

Where is your evidence that they lied?

If you are saying that they lied, that is defamation.

Offline BigFatBlonde

Re: A new member's perception - but are these points true or false?
« Reply #331 on: November 09, 2013, 04:09:35 PM »
Where is your evidence that they lied?

If you are saying that they lied, that is defamation.

Surely the fund can't cope with many more legal actions? What will the McCanns do when they run out of money?

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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: A new member's perception - but are these points true or false?
« Reply #332 on: November 09, 2013, 04:10:40 PM »
Where is your evidence that they lied?

If you are saying that they lied, that is defamation.

Pamela Fenn, who resides on the residential block's first floor, above the apartment that was occupied by the McCann family, clarified that on the 1st of May 2007, two days before her disappearance, at around 10.30 p.m., she heard a child crying, which from the sound would be MADELEINE and that she cried for an hour and fifteen minutes, until her parents arrived, at around 11.57 p.m.

This shows that the parents were not persistently worried about their children [and] that they didn't check on them like they afterwards declared they did, rather neglecting their duty to guard those same children, although not in a temerarious, or gross, manner.

 they didn't check on them like they afterwards declared they did

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id136.html


Total incoherence results from the GROUP’s statements, which makes it easy to verify that everyone lies.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id315.html
« Last Edit: November 09, 2013, 04:13:02 PM by Wonderfulspam »
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Offline Benice

Re: A new member's perception - but are these points true or false?
« Reply #333 on: November 09, 2013, 04:18:37 PM »
Surely the fund can't cope with many more legal actions? What will the McCanns do when they run out of money?

N

If people stopped libelling them there would be no need for any legal action.  Simples.
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline BigFatBlonde

Re: A new member's perception - but are these points true or false?
« Reply #334 on: November 09, 2013, 04:20:05 PM »
If people stopped libelling them there would be no need for any legal action.  Simples.

Doesn't answer the question though does it? and their track record for wins isn't exactly stellar.

N

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: A new member's perception - but are these points true or false?
« Reply #335 on: November 09, 2013, 04:23:56 PM »
If people stopped libelling them there would be no need for any legal action.  Simples.

Lisbon and Appeals Court, 14.10.2010

We conclude that the applicants voluntarily decided to limit their right to the intimacy of private life, certainly envisaging higher values like the discovery of their daughter Madeleine's whereabouts, but upon voluntarily limiting that right, they opened the doors for other people to give their opinion about the case, in synchrony with what they were saying, but also possibly in contradiction with their directions, yet always within the bounds of a legitimate and constitutionally consecrated right to opinion and freedom of expression of thought.

We do not see that the right of the book's author, the defendant, can be limited by a right to the reservation of intimacy that suffered voluntary limitations by their holders, the applicants.

In the same way, concerning the applicants' right to image and a good name: upon placing the case in the public square and giving it worldwide notoriety, the applicants opened all doors to all opinions, even those that are adversarial to them.

In any case, we understand that the allegation of facts that are profusely contained in the judicial inquiry and that were even published through an initiative of the Republic's Attorney General’s Office, can in no way be seen as an offence against the right to image and a good name of the subjects in the process.

Finally, concerning the damage to the right to usufruct ['Usufruct' is the legal right to use and derive profit or benefit from property that belongs to another person] from the penal process' guarantees, namely the right to a fair investigation and the right to freedom and safety, we still cannot understand how it is possible for said rights to be offended by the contents of a book that describes facts from the investigation, although it parts from the interpretation that the Public Ministry's Magistrates made of those facts, yet offering based, solidly built and logical interpretations.

We thus reach a point where it seems to be important to stress the following: the indicative facts that led to the applicants' constitution as arguidos within the inquiry were later on not valued by the Public Ministry's Magistrates in order to lead to a criminal accusation, but those very same facts, seen through another prism and with another base, may lead to a different conclusion from that which was attained by those same Magistrates – those are indications that were deemed to be insufficient in terms of evidence in a criminal investigation, but they can be appreciated in a different way, in an interpretation that is legitimate to be published as a literary work, as long as said interpretation does not offend any fundamental rights of anyone involved – and we have written above already why we understand that said interpretation does not offend the applicants' rights.

The exercise of its writing and publication is included in the constitutional rights that are secured to everyone by the European Convention on Human Rights and by the Portuguese Republic’s Constitution, namely in its articles 37º and 38º.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id344.html
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ferryman

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Re: A new member's perception - but are these points true or false?
« Reply #336 on: November 09, 2013, 04:24:25 PM »
Pamela Fenn, who resides on the residential block's first floor, above the apartment that was occupied by the McCann family, clarified that on the 1st of May 2007, two days before her disappearance, at around 10.30 p.m., she heard a child crying, which from the sound would be MADELEINE and that she cried for an hour and fifteen minutes, until her parents arrived, at around 11.57 p.m.

This shows that the parents were not persistently worried about their children [and] that they didn't check on them like they afterwards declared they did, rather neglecting their duty to guard those same children, although not in a temerarious, or gross, manner.

 they didn't check on them like they afterwards declared they did

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id136.html


Total incoherence results from the GROUP’s statements, which makes it easy to verify that everyone lies.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id315.html

Pamela Fenn clarified that she didn't even know the holiday apartment was occupied.

The purpose of her being interviewed (months after the crime of Madeleine's abduction) was to report an attempted burglary of her own flat.

That crime (just) gets a mention right at the end of her (apparent!) statement about events in the holiday apartment below.

Aiofe

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Re: A new member's perception - but are these points true or false?
« Reply #337 on: November 09, 2013, 04:31:41 PM »
Surely the fund can't cope with many more legal actions? What will the McCanns do when they run out of money?

N

Carter Ruck are working on a contingency fee basis or pro bono depending on the respondent's financial situation. That gives the McCanns effective deep pockets aside from the fund.

Aiofe

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Re: A new member's perception - but are these points true or false?
« Reply #338 on: November 09, 2013, 04:32:23 PM »
Lisbon and Appeals Court, 14.10.2010

We conclude that the applicants voluntarily decided to limit their right to the intimacy of private life, certainly envisaging higher values like the discovery of their daughter Madeleine's whereabouts, but upon voluntarily limiting that right, they opened the doors for other people to give their opinion about the case, in synchrony with what they were saying, but also possibly in contradiction with their directions, yet always within the bounds of a legitimate and constitutionally consecrated right to opinion and freedom of expression of thought.

We do not see that the right of the book's author, the defendant, can be limited by a right to the reservation of intimacy that suffered voluntary limitations by their holders, the applicants.

In the same way, concerning the applicants' right to image and a good name: upon placing the case in the public square and giving it worldwide notoriety, the applicants opened all doors to all opinions, even those that are adversarial to them.

In any case, we understand that the allegation of facts that are profusely contained in the judicial inquiry and that were even published through an initiative of the Republic's Attorney General’s Office, can in no way be seen as an offence against the right to image and a good name of the subjects in the process.

Finally, concerning the damage to the right to usufruct ['Usufruct' is the legal right to use and derive profit or benefit from property that belongs to another person] from the penal process' guarantees, namely the right to a fair investigation and the right to freedom and safety, we still cannot understand how it is possible for said rights to be offended by the contents of a book that describes facts from the investigation, although it parts from the interpretation that the Public Ministry's Magistrates made of those facts, yet offering based, solidly built and logical interpretations.

We thus reach a point where it seems to be important to stress the following: the indicative facts that led to the applicants' constitution as arguidos within the inquiry were later on not valued by the Public Ministry's Magistrates in order to lead to a criminal accusation, but those very same facts, seen through another prism and with another base, may lead to a different conclusion from that which was attained by those same Magistrates – those are indications that were deemed to be insufficient in terms of evidence in a criminal investigation, but they can be appreciated in a different way, in an interpretation that is legitimate to be published as a literary work, as long as said interpretation does not offend any fundamental rights of anyone involved – and we have written above already why we understand that said interpretation does not offend the applicants' rights.

The exercise of its writing and publication is included in the constitutional rights that are secured to everyone by the European Convention on Human Rights and by the Portuguese Republic’s Constitution, namely in its articles 37º and 38º.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id344.html


Portuguese Law ineffective in the UK.

Just Spam.

Offline Benice

Re: A new member's perception - but are these points true or false?
« Reply #339 on: November 09, 2013, 04:32:44 PM »
Lisbon and Appeals Court, 14.10.2010

We conclude that the applicants voluntarily decided to limit their right to the intimacy of private life, certainly envisaging higher values like the discovery of their daughter Madeleine's whereabouts, but upon voluntarily limiting that right, they opened the doors for other people to give their opinion about the case, in synchrony with what they were saying, but also possibly in contradiction with their directions, yet always within the bounds of a legitimate and constitutionally consecrated right to opinion and freedom of expression of thought.

We do not see that the right of the book's author, the defendant, can be limited by a right to the reservation of intimacy that suffered voluntary limitations by their holders, the applicants.

In the same way, concerning the applicants' right to image and a good name: upon placing the case in the public square and giving it worldwide notoriety, the applicants opened all doors to all opinions, even those that are adversarial to them.

In any case, we understand that the allegation of facts that are profusely contained in the judicial inquiry and that were even published through an initiative of the Republic's Attorney General’s Office, can in no way be seen as an offence against the right to image and a good name of the subjects in the process.

Finally, concerning the damage to the right to usufruct ['Usufruct' is the legal right to use and derive profit or benefit from property that belongs to another person] from the penal process' guarantees, namely the right to a fair investigation and the right to freedom and safety, we still cannot understand how it is possible for said rights to be offended by the contents of a book that describes facts from the investigation, although it parts from the interpretation that the Public Ministry's Magistrates made of those facts, yet offering based, solidly built and logical interpretations.

We thus reach a point where it seems to be important to stress the following: the indicative facts that led to the applicants' constitution as arguidos within the inquiry were later on not valued by the Public Ministry's Magistrates in order to lead to a criminal accusation, but those very same facts, seen through another prism and with another base, may lead to a different conclusion from that which was attained by those same Magistrates – those are indications that were deemed to be insufficient in terms of evidence in a criminal investigation, but they can be appreciated in a different way, in an interpretation that is legitimate to be published as a literary work, as long as said interpretation does not offend any fundamental rights of anyone involved – and we have written above already why we understand that said interpretation does not offend the applicants' rights.

The exercise of its writing and publication is included in the constitutional rights that are secured to everyone by the European Convention on Human Rights and by the Portuguese Republic’s Constitution, namely in its articles 37º and 38º.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id344.html

I don't know why you keep posting this.  It's nothing to do with libel.      Libel had not been established in a court of law and so could not be used as evidence.    That is why the present libel trial is taking place.    If Libel had been ruled out at the Appeal hearing there would be no point in having the present trial.



The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: A new member's perception - but are these points true or false?
« Reply #340 on: November 09, 2013, 04:35:11 PM »
Pamela Fenn clarified that she didn't even know the holiday apartment was occupied.

The purpose of her being interviewed (months after the crime of Madeleine's abduction) was to report an attempted burglary of her own flat.

That crime (just) gets a mention right at the end of her (apparent!) statement about events in the holiday apartment below.



The Republic's Prosecutor
 (José de Magalhães e Menezes)
 
& http://www.mccannfiles.com/id136.html

The Joint General Prosecutor
 (João Melchior Gomes)


Took Pamela Fenns word over the McCanns because......


 (Tavares de Almeida)

Total incoherence results from the GROUP’s statements, which makes it easy to verify that everyone lies.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id315.html

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Offline j.rob

Re: A new member's perception - but are these points true or false?
« Reply #341 on: November 09, 2013, 05:15:03 PM »
Where is your evidence that they lied?

If you are saying that they lied, that is defamation.

What about all the people that the McCann's have accused of lying?

Aiofe

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Re: A new member's perception - but are these points true or false?
« Reply #342 on: November 09, 2013, 05:20:31 PM »
What about all the people that the McCann's have accused of lying?

Who? When? Where?

Offline BigFatBlonde

Re: A new member's perception - but are these points true or false?
« Reply #343 on: November 09, 2013, 05:20:57 PM »
Hi!  I've not read much about this have they accused people of lying?

Hi! Yes they have!

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Aiofe

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Re: A new member's perception - but are these points true or false?
« Reply #344 on: November 09, 2013, 05:21:06 PM »
Hi!  I've not read much about this have they accused people of lying?

We may find out. If they answer!