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Redblossom

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Re: The Madeleine Fund - Leaving No Stone Unturned Ltd.
« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2013, 06:21:03 PM »
They probably realised very quickly the PJ were rubbish

Oh the fount of all wisdom has spoken
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icabodcrane

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Re: The Madeleine Fund - Leaving No Stone Unturned Ltd.
« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2013, 06:23:51 PM »
Any family in today's world are going to run their own parallel investigation in the form of websites, social networking, etc. for a missing relative.

I have been following two missing persons cases this year where the families are very active in this way. They have websites, organise fund raisers, etc.

At some point that might be an approach the family of a missing child might take,  certainly  ...  but within days   ?

The McCanns were insistant that someone had taken Madeleine from her bed

In those circumstances, in those early days,  the hope that she would be found at any moment would be all consuming  (  as would the dread of  news that a little body had been found  )

Organising  websites and  'social networking'  in those very  early days is not something I would describe as  predictable behaviour from the parents of an abducted three year old ... as you appear to be suggesting

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The Madeleine Fund - Leaving No Stone Unturned Ltd.
« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2013, 06:26:36 PM »
At some point that might be an approach the family of a missing child might take,  certainly  ...  but within days   ?

The McCanns were insistant that someone had taken Madeleine from her bed

In those circumstances, in those early days,  the hope that she would be found at any moment would be all consuming  (  as would the dread of  news that a little body had been found  )

Organising  websites and  'social networking'  in those very  early days is not something I would describe as  predictable behaviour from the parents of an abducted three year old ... as you appear to be suggesting

Whatever they had done I feel you would criticise

Offline Angelo222

Re: The Madeleine Fund - Leaving No Stone Unturned Ltd.
« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2013, 06:32:09 PM »
 



Support: Donations
The full objects of the Fund are:

  • To secure the safe return to her family of Madeleine McCann who was abducted in Praia da Luz, Portugal on Thursday 3rd May 2007;
  • To procure that Madeleine's abduction is thoroughly investigated and that her abductors, as well as those who played or play any part in assisting them, are identified and brought to justice; and
  • To provide support, including financial assistance, to Madeleine's family.
  • If the above objects are fulfilled then the objects of the Foundation shall be to pursue such purposes in similar cases arising in the United Kingdom, Portugal or elsewhere.


http://www.findmadeleine.com/support/index.html


The word SEARCH is very conspicuous by its absence???

Weren't we all told that the fund was to aid the search for Madeleine and not the pursuance of private prosecutions against those who question their version of the truth??
« Last Edit: November 24, 2013, 06:37:19 PM by Angelo222 »
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Redblossom

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Re: The Madeleine Fund - Leaving No Stone Unturned Ltd.
« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2013, 06:32:34 PM »
if the police can work wih us...thats fantastic....says John....


From 0.44


The arrogance is mind blowing...and whats with the smirks!!! Ffs..






Redblossom

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Re: The Madeleine Fund - Leaving No Stone Unturned Ltd.
« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2013, 06:34:31 PM »

The word SEARCH is very conspicuous by its absence???

Wasn't the whole idea of the fund to search for Madeleine??

Good observation.....

What about bullet point one....to secure the safe return.....thats assumng she would always be alive.....




Offline jassi

Re: The Madeleine Fund - Leaving No Stone Unturned Ltd.
« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2013, 06:34:51 PM »
if the police can work wih us...thats fantastic....says John....


From 0.44


The arrogance is mind blowing...and whats with the smirks!!! Ffs..




Seems to be a family trait.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: The Madeleine Fund - Leaving No Stone Unturned Ltd.
« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2013, 06:42:29 PM »
yes,he paid lip service  to the idea Madeleine might be found any day now but said as it becomes protracted we will have to do x y z

You're taking that a bridge too far, Red. Can't be inferred from what is written.

Redblossom

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Re: The Madeleine Fund - Leaving No Stone Unturned Ltd.
« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2013, 06:47:09 PM »

Seems to be a family trait.

Amongst the males.......its so bizarre....

Redblossom

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Re: The Madeleine Fund - Leaving No Stone Unturned Ltd.
« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2013, 06:49:46 PM »
You're taking that a bridge too far, Red. Can't be inferred from what is written.

What bridge? im quoting john mccann not from any written text but from camera....im still tryng to source the video..the bbc had a clean up a couple years ago......but its there somewhere and if its there i will find it....

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: The Madeleine Fund - Leaving No Stone Unturned Ltd.
« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2013, 06:51:45 PM »
Setting up a facebook page and arranging fund raising is not a parallel investigation.....we are talking hiring private investigators here......

The family in general seemed so pro active, so pro active they tried to find out how the abductor got in before the police were called lol

That's what I'm saying.

There's nothing in the bullet points to say that they intend to hire investigators. They could easily be talking simply about doing their own publicity.

Redblossom

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Re: The Madeleine Fund - Leaving No Stone Unturned Ltd.
« Reply #26 on: November 24, 2013, 06:58:11 PM »
That's what I'm saying.

There's nothing in the bullet points to say that they intend to hire investigators. They could easily be talking simply about doing their own publicity.
so bullet point 2 was going to be achieved by fund raising and social networking? Are you  for real? I already  TOLD you in my post 4 John Mccann on launching the fund said it would be for private investigators!

Got to go

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Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: The Madeleine Fund - Leaving No Stone Unturned Ltd.
« Reply #27 on: November 24, 2013, 07:16:29 PM »
Were they set up before 2007, or are they just following the McCann model?

The two missing persons cases I am speaking of both date from earlier on this year, 2013. One is from January and the other is from June.

Both are British cases local to my home turf, which is why I am interested in them. One of them, the January case, I was peripherally involved in as I was holidaying a few streets away from where the person disappeared, at the time of the disappearance itself. Police interviewed me and many local residents. There was an extensive search.

After a few weeks the police gave up on the case due to lack of resources, so they claimed. The mother of the person who went missing set up a facebook page a few days after her son disappeared, and seemed to be constantly on line, organising teams of people to help search, engaging in fund raising events, and so on. After a few weeks the police made it clear that they did not have the funds to carry out searches (the terrain was difficult; river beds and extensive tracts of woodland and farmland had to be searched, and conditions were harsh) so the mother raised funds to enlist the help of private divers and private search teams who normally worked for the army, and so on.

By the look of it the mother was at her computer almost constantly for months and it seemed obvious to everyone that this was an appropriate role.

Her son's body was found in a field in mid-April under melting snow by a farmer.  He had died of hypothermia on the cold January night.

It is actually a very interesting - and of course sad - case, as the mother and other relatives feel her son may have been drugged and that this element was not properly investigated by police. They also feel that police did not do enough in the early stages of the investigation. There are also a number of people on CCTV footage who must have been witnesses to certain things, and who are believed to be likely to live locally, who have not come forward. As far as the mother is concerned, hypothermia is the technical but not the ultimate cause of death. It could be an interesting case for this site.

The second case involves the disappearance of another student, currently thought to be in the Scottish Highlands somewhere. Police have drawn a blank. The girl's family and friends are running a website and making public appeals.


I don't know if either of these two groups of people were influenced by the McCanns. The cases are quite different. The mother in the first case is more of a Kerry Needham figure. She is a working class lady of limited influence and funds who has gone to great efforts to enlist help from charities and get local people to help her on an individual basis. The family of the second person is Russian and currently live in Russia, so the media aspect of the case in the UK is being run by the girl's UK friends. Possibly a mafia connection there as the Russian father is a person of wealth and influence.

Whatever the case it seems obvious that any family of a missing person today would use the media to assist them in various aspects of the case. Nothing suspicious at all. No police force, no matter how professional, appears to have the resources to investigate these cases properly.

Police on both of these cases have made several public statements to the effect that unless there is concrete evidence at an early stage of foul play, then the assumption is that no crime has been committed, and as such the disappearances are not a matter for the police. (It's no crime for an adult to disappear; in fact the police are obliged to protect the privacy and conceal the location of someone who disappears of their own volition and wants to remain free of contact from his or her relatives). As such these cases were put pretty quickly on the police's back burner. Seems like a catch 22 - there can only be a criminal investigation if there already evidence of a crime. But that's the way it is.

Back to the Madeleine case, I don't see any problem with raising funds to conduct a parallel investigation at all. It is well known that the police are not always going to be willing or able to get to the bottom of matters and the McCanns were reasonable to assume from the early days that if they wanted to find their daughter they would have to appoint themselves as directors and  pull out all the stops.


Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: The Madeleine Fund - Leaving No Stone Unturned Ltd.
« Reply #28 on: November 24, 2013, 07:22:21 PM »
so bullet point 2 was going to be achieved by fund raising and social networking? Are you  for real? I already  TOLD you in my post 4 John Mccann on launching the fund said it would be for private investigators!

Got to go

No but it could include that. Posters were being printed the next day so you could say that they got the ball rolling privately from then on. That doesn't exclude the idea of hiring private investigators.

And what's wrong with hiring private investigators anyway? Would you have entrusted your whole world to a local force you could barely communicate with?

icabodcrane

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Re: The Madeleine Fund - Leaving No Stone Unturned Ltd.
« Reply #29 on: November 24, 2013, 07:26:47 PM »
That's what I'm saying.

There's nothing in the bullet points to say that they intend to hire investigators. They could easily be talking simply about doing their own publicity.

I don't know how to do links, I'm sorry,  but if you go to youtube and type in  'Radio Leicester John McCann'  you will hear Eileen McCann  (  Gerry's mother )  speaking about the creation of the  fund and what Gerry and Kate intend doing with it  (  stop at at about 16.38 )

She says that she presumes  (  having been speaking to Gerry every night )  that if Madeleine is not found  'in the next week' they will be putting lawyers and investigators in most European countries  ...  and that would cost money

It is quite clear that the  'parallel investigation'  the McCanns had in mind very early on was more than just   social networking and publicity