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Offline Benice

Re: The Lying Game: Crimes That Fooled Britain .
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2014, 12:55:28 PM »
So why moan and whinge about these people on here? Why dont you go over there and do it? or n twitter or wherever you hang out, or one of the dedicated sights to slag off others......Unless, shock horror, you want  to associate.....Haphazardly....



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I'm stating my opinion on the reaction of some people to Dr. Teals statement regarding the McCanns.  If you don't like it - then there is nothing to stop you taking your own advice.




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Offline Benice

Re: The Lying Game: Crimes That Fooled Britain .
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2014, 01:05:47 PM »
You have to be realistic, though. The programme makers would never have been allowed to  broadcast anything that might have been subject to a libel suit, had any of the experts expressed such an opinion.

The programme wasn't about the McCanns.   One Forensic Psychologist  made a comment about them.   The fury, bile and disgusting accusations that single assessment has unleashed against the person who made it is so shocking and unjust it should be commented on IMO.    This is the Justice Forum isn't it?






The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

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Re: The Lying Game: Crimes That Fooled Britain .
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2014, 01:06:29 PM »
I'm stating my opinion on the reaction of some people to Dr. Teals statement regarding the McCanns.  If you don't like it - then there is nothing to stop you taking your own advice.

Im not the one moaning about what others say on other forums and bringing it on here.? And thrn asking this is the justice forum isnt it?...so no advice to take.....

Offline jassi

Re: The Lying Game: Crimes That Fooled Britain .
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2014, 01:12:20 PM »
The programme wasn't about the McCanns.   One Forensic Psychologist  made a comment about them.   The fury, bile and disgusting accusations that single assessment has unleashed against the person who made it is so shocking and unjust it should be commented on IMO.    This is the Justice Forum isn't it?

Sure, comment all you like.
I don't watch television so cannot comment on the programme content.
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: The Lying Game: Crimes That Fooled Britain .
« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2014, 01:23:06 PM »
The programme wasn't about the McCanns.   One Forensic Psychologist  made a comment about them.   The fury, bile and disgusting accusations that single assessment has unleashed against the person who made it is so shocking and unjust it should be commented on IMO.    This is the Justice Forum isn't it?

Pseudo-emotional codswallop.

Where is this fury, bile & these shocking disgusting accusations against her?

I haven't seen any here.
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Offline Benice

Re: The Lying Game: Crimes That Fooled Britain .
« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2014, 01:26:02 PM »
Im not the one moaning about what others say on other forums and bringing it on here.? And thrn asking this is the justice forum isnt it?...so no advice to take.....

The programme was 'advertised' on here by Stephen amongst others.  It was not deemed to be 'off topic' and so anyone can comment on it and on the reaction to it by some members of the public imo. What is wrong with that?   
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: The Lying Game: Crimes That Fooled Britain .
« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2014, 01:30:31 PM »
but what about the alerting in the hire car - isn't the dogs giving cadaver alerts the main crux of the evidence against the parents- - unless we discount the hire car one

also weren't all the bins sealed and checked - sorry I don't have a link to that - I just read it somewhere.

It would certainly be one of the first places I would imagine any searcher who suspected foul play and disposal would check

but it is a theory at least

but what about the alerting in the hire car

Possible cross contamination.

also weren't all the bins sealed and checked

Would they have been checked first thing the following morning while they were searching for a living child who had apparently been taken by Tannerman in one specific direction?

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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: The Lying Game: Crimes That Fooled Britain .
« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2014, 01:50:16 PM »


Dr Sharon Leal

He's brought out the list of things he must be certain to remember. He won't think that looks suspicious. A liar might believe that that is suspicious. There's been a lot of controversy about whether or not the McCanns are innocent of guilty. From my point of view, is, they are 100% innocent.


https://www.itv.com/itvplayer/the-lying-game-crimes-that-fooled-britain/series-1/episode-1-the-lying-game-crimes-that-fooled-britain


He's brought out the list of things he must be certain to remember. He won't think that looks suspicious. A liar might believe that that is suspicious.



So a liar might not believe that is suspicious either then.  Clear as mud.
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Offline Victoria

Re: The Lying Game: Crimes That Fooled Britain .
« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2014, 01:55:49 PM »

Dr Sharon Leal

He's brought out the list of things he must be certain to remember. He won't think that looks suspicious. A liar might believe that that is suspicious. There's been a lot of controversy about whether or not the McCanns are innocent of guilty. From my point of view, is, they are 100% innocent.


https://www.itv.com/itvplayer/the-lying-game-crimes-that-fooled-britain/series-1/episode-1-the-lying-game-crimes-that-fooled-britain


He's brought out the list of things he must be certain to remember. He won't think that looks suspicious. A liar might believe that that is suspicious.



So a liar might not believe that is suspicious either then.  Clear as mud.

Anyone who talks in absolutes is likely to be talking through a hole in their heard, to be fair. Anyone who says ALL LIARS ACT THIS WAY or INNOCENT PEOPLE ALWAYS DO THIS WITH THEIR HANDS is utterly blind to the complexity of everyday life. Surely you can see that?

I expect you also see that, despite only a short clip being discussed on the show, Dr Leal is likely to have viewed more footage of the McCanns before expressing an opinion.

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: The Lying Game: Crimes That Fooled Britain .
« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2014, 02:10:52 PM »
Anyone who talks in absolutes is likely to be talking through a hole in their heard, to be fair. Anyone who says ALL LIARS ACT THIS WAY or INNOCENT PEOPLE ALWAYS DO THIS WITH THEIR HANDS is utterly blind to the complexity of everyday life. Surely you can see that?

I expect you also see that, despite only a short clip being discussed on the show, Dr Leal is likely to have viewed more footage of the McCanns before expressing an opinion.

Dr Leal is likely to have viewed more footage of the McCanns before expressing an opinion.

That is just guess work. However even if she has viewed more footage she may have had the preconcieved idea the McCanns are innocent thus her conclusion would be a confirmation bias. However that could also be confirmation bias.


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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: The Lying Game: Crimes That Fooled Britain .
« Reply #25 on: January 08, 2014, 02:19:34 PM »
I'm not sure I agree with everything you're proposing here, wonderfulspam - but you have at least posited an explanation. A rarity.

It's incredibly rare for me to post anything even approaching a sensible comment.
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Offline Victoria

Re: The Lying Game: Crimes That Fooled Britain .
« Reply #26 on: January 08, 2014, 02:20:39 PM »
Dr Leal is likely to have viewed more footage of the McCanns before expressing an opinion.

That is just guess work. However even if she has viewed more footage she may have had the preconcieved idea the McCanns are innocent thus her conclusion would be a confirmation bias. However that could also be confirmation bias.

A preconceived idea based on what?

Offline faithlilly

Re: The Lying Game: Crimes That Fooled Britain .
« Reply #27 on: January 08, 2014, 02:22:39 PM »
was on ITV last night - interviewed various crime experts who study crime and interviews with some high profile cases - Philpots, Matthews etc - all the usual suspects

Anyone watch it ?

I watched with interest the section that concerned the McCanns. Did you notice as the the psychologist claimed they were innocent there was an almost imperceivable shake of her head from side to side ? Interesting !
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: The Lying Game: Crimes That Fooled Britain .
« Reply #28 on: January 08, 2014, 02:25:54 PM »
A preconceived idea based on what?

McCann non involvement & 'abduction' has been forced upon the public by the mainstream media for the past 6 years, willingly or otherwise.
Some people are unwilling to even contemplate the possibility of concealing their childs corpse.
I'm not.
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Offline Victoria

Re: The Lying Game: Crimes That Fooled Britain .
« Reply #29 on: January 08, 2014, 02:27:07 PM »
I watched with interest the section that concerned the McCanns. Did you notice as the the psychologist claimed they were innocent there was an almost imperceivable shake of her head from side to side ? Interesting !

Was it just me or was she micro-blinking with her left eye as well? I think the letters she was trying to spell out in Morse code were L - O - L

Could mean something!