The Real Jeremy Bamber

[Nicholas]

You still haven’t answered on this claim you made April?

How does Hybristophilia apply to Bamber supporters if they believe he’s innocent?

In this post you state

I don't know to which "physical evidence" you're referring.

Neither do I when you refer to ‘Hybristophilia’ and Bamber supporters? Pls clarify. Thx

Hybristophilia is the term for women who are attracted to those behind bars. His, one time, "Hooray Henry" looks would have been a huge attraction -and to some, evidence of his innocence- and an enticement to help him in any way possible.

[Nicholas]

Actually, G-Unit,

Jeremy Bamber’s sexuality is important in this.

Back in the mid 1980s when AIDS became known as a gay disease, homophobia reached a peak.  If it’s true that Jeremy was bisexual, or even gay & was suppressing that by dating women too; and there was so much talk about him being gay, acting gay, dressing as a woman and walking down the village with his gay associates, it must have sent June into a spin. She was so conservative and even thought sex before marriage was a sin, so she must have been horrified seeing Jeremy prance around effeminately, and possibly hearing local gossip how he kissed men in local pubs etc.

Bamber would have been tested for HIV etc in prison

According to the Terrance Higgins Trust, ‘Someone can only be charged with intentional transmission if it can be proved they maliciously and intentionally tried to give the other person HIV
https://www.tht.org.uk/hiv-and-sexual-health/living-well-hiv/legal-issues/how-law-works

[Nicholas]

On the point of Jeremy's health he is not a well man.  He has several serious health problems and is in constant pain.  He has also lost a lot of weight (intentionally or not I don't kinow).

Do you think he may have been taking drugs Daisy or do you think there was another reason for him allegedly losing weight ?

[Nicholas]

Well said AA yes Simon Mckay was acutely embarrassed when he took a man's word who promised to fund the Danny Nightingale Appeal.  The promise of a large sum was made and when Simon made contact for this to be paid, the man had disappeared.  The company he claimed to work for had never heard of him.  This is precisely the point I am making - do checks first before proceeding!! If an experienced lawyer can be "had" then Jeremy certainly can.

How do you know this Daisy?

Apparently Pat Johnson helped fund the Chris Nudds campaign ?

In a post here https://home.38degrees.org.uk/2012/11/26/danny-nightingale-guest-post-from-simon-kay/

from Nov 2012 it states;

Here’s an excerpt:
“Pat Johnson, a 38 Degrees member, has set up a petition on the new Campaigns by You area of the 38 Degrees website. The petition calls for the release of Sergeant Danny Nightingale who was jailed to 18 months’ detention for possessing a pistol given to him as a gift by soldiers he had trained in the Iraqi army.

Danny Nightingale’s solicitor is Simon McKay. In this guest blog, he discusses ‘the public interest’ and the importance of the Campaigns by You petition to Danny Nightingale’s appeal against his sentence. 

Interestingly Pat Johnson used to support Chris Nudds aka Christopher Docherty-Puncheon

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-20151531

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/149380/Villagers-walking-in-the-shadow-of-death

Chris was a rat catcher https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/christopher-docherty-puncheon-midsomer-murderer-jailed-1418971

Further links of interest
http://www.mojuk.org.uk/Portia/archive%2013/nudds.html

https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/chrisnudds

https://4wardeveruk.org/2011/03/sign-the-petition-for-chris-nudds/

Mark McDonald represented Nuds (sic) on appeal https://www.mansfieldchambers.co.uk/mark-mcdonald/

[Holly Goodhead]

He didn’t have just one gay friend, though, Holly. In fact, he had few real friends, but the acquaintances he hung out with were mainly gay. He’s admitted that.  Brett Collins said Jeremy had a gay affair with his friend in New Zealand before they themselves got close. And Jeremy was seen kissing men passionately in public & flirting.

Julie said he’d told her that he’d had a gay affair before meeting her, so it’s no wonder she got suspicious when Brett turned up...

I certainly don’t think he was “very much heterosexual” going by everything I’ve read on him, including how he lacks that “manliness” heterosexual men have. Of course there’s nothing wrong in being gay/bisexual, but it’s definitely not a choice. One doesn’t CHOOSE to be attracted to the same sex: they just are.

You’ve missed my point, entirely, Holly.

June and possibly Nevill would have felt huge embarrassment by that, especially June, and that could be why she wanted him to marry Julie — she probably guessed he had homosexual leanings and it must have made her a bag of nerves by wondering what the village would say. You think because he had lots of flings with women meant he was straight, but actually, many men who are gay will sleep with as many women as possible in the hope to “cure” their desires. They become promiscuous because they’re not being fulfilled and not getting what they really want. It’s quite telling that his first proper gay affair happened in NZ away from the family, and it’s also telling how he yearned to get away to London, Australia or NZ.

It’s also telling how Brett and Jeremy sniggered when someone mentioned him and Julie getting engaged. Julie felt so humiliated at how cruel they both were to her when Brett laughed as Jeremy said they certainly weren’t. Brett and Julie appeared to “fight” for Jeremy’s affections, and it seems Brett won...

The homosexuality aspect is insignificant, but what is significant is that if Jeremy wanted to come out, and going by his previous, that’s a possibility, he knew he couldn’t do that as June would disown him and he’d have not one penny. Even Julie asked him why he couldn’t wait, and that he’d eventually have so much money from the farm , businesses and properties, but he said he couldn’t wait — he wanted it now.

So he had TWO reasons to murder, in my opinion.

Is this something you've researched? If not how do you know?  And if yes, why?

There's no evidence he was 'promiscuous' and/or had loads of flings with women. 

JM saying this, that or the other doesn't make it so. She admitted to:

- cheque fraud
- acting as a lookout for JB when he burgled OCP
- selling JB's cannabis on campus
- taking cocaine in a hotel room with a female friend and two males

Hardly reliable.

[Aunt Agatha]

Actually, G-Unit,

Jeremy Bamber’s sexuality is important in this.

Back in the mid 1980s when AIDS became known as a gay disease, homophobia reached a peak.  If it’s true that Jeremy was bisexual, or even gay & was suppressing that by dating women too; and there was so much talk about him being gay, acting gay, dressing as a woman and walking down the village with his gay associates, it must have sent June into a spin. She was so conservative and even thought sex before marriage was a sin, so she must have been horrified seeing Jeremy prance around effeminately, and possibly hearing local gossip how he kissed men in local pubs etc.

If Jeremy’s homosexual leanings were far greater than he let on, that was even more reason he had to kill them all: June and maybe Nevill too, would have disowned him if he came out as gay. Yes, his primary reason was money, but after he murdered them he seemed to spend as much time, if not more, with Brett than he did Julie. Although he still had one or two women on the go before he and Julie split up just weeks later, they could have been beards. It was Brett who lived with him after the murders, and when the police arrested them early Sunday morning, Jeremy came to the door in jeans and a top, while Brett laid sprawled naked on one of the twins’ single beds. That looks fishy, somehow. Why would Brett be naked on top of the twin’s bed, yet Jeremy was dressed at such an early hour?  When they heard that door banging they knew it was the police, and it’s quite possible Brett ran into the twins’ room in panic & pretended to still be asleep despite all that loud noise of the door banging. Jeremy deliberately pulled his jeans on to make it look like he’d been up ages...at 7am on a Sunday morning? Why wasn’t he wearing his bathrobe; the one he claimed he wore on the night of the murders?  Few people shower & get dressed so early on a Sunday morning, and Brett certainly hadn’t...there’s just something fishy there...

So one does wonder if after Jeremy had finally split with Julie, he planned to slowly ease Brett in to WHF, and live as a closeted couple before selling up and moving to Australia together. It’s certainly a possibility.

Which means Jeremy had TWO reasons to murder them all: he wanted his inheritance (including Sheila’s and the twins), and he knew if June discovered her fears that was gay were true, she’d have thrown him out, disinherited him, and he’d have been couch surfing while working at Sloppy Joe’s...bang goes the Porsche.

Jeremy had No gay relationships before his imprisonment.

During the period I knew him him, he did not fancy men, either as a bisexual or gay.

[Aunt Agatha]

Is this something you've researched? If not how do you know?  And if yes, why?

There's no evidence he was 'promiscuous' and/or had loads of flings with women. 

JM saying this, that or the other doesn't make it so. She admitted to:

- cheque fraud
- acting as a lookout for JB when he burgled OCP
- selling JB's cannabis on campus
- taking cocaine in a hotel room with a female friend and two males

Hardly reliable.

Brett speaks and everybody now believes him.  He ha slied in the past therefore he is an unreliable witness.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Is this something you've researched? If not how do you know?  And if yes, why?

There's no evidence he was 'promiscuous' and/or had loads of flings with women. 

JM saying this, that or the other doesn't make it so. She admitted to:

- cheque fraud
- acting as a lookout for JB when he burgled OCP
- selling JB's cannabis on campus
- taking cocaine in a hotel room with a female friend and two males

Hardly reliable.

Would you describe JB as a reliable witness?

[Myster]

Jeremy had No gay relationships before his imprisonment.

During the period I knew him him, he did not fancy men, either as a bisexual or gay.

Bashing the bishop in Wakefield is the only enjoyment he'll get these days.

[Holly Goodhead]

Bashing the bishop in Wakefield is the only enjoyment he'll get these days.

But I'm sure he gets a buzz out of knowing we enjoy mass debating over him! 

[Holly Goodhead]

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[Vertigo Swirl]

Would you describe JB as a reliable witness?

Bump.

[Holly Goodhead]

Bump.

Yes of course, why not?  I think he talks a lot of nonsense now but that's hardly surprising when he has been in jail for nearly 35 years 

[Vertigo Swirl]

Yes of course, why not?  I think he talks a lot of nonsense now but that's hardly surprising when he has been in jail for nearly 35 years 

But you dismiss JM as unreliable because she is a liar and a thief, involved in drug taking.  Are you suggesting JB is not a proven liar and thief involved in drug taking, or are you exhibiting double standards ?

[Holly Goodhead]

But you dismiss JM as unreliable because she is a liar and a thief, involved in drug taking.  Are you suggesting JB is not a proven liar and thief involved in drug taking, or are you exhibiting double standards ?

Has JB lied?

I believe JB stole from the family firm as June was withholding payments until he 'learned to live properly'. This was no doubt her objection to him having sexual relationships outside of marriage.  He was 24 yoa and his income should not have been dependent on perfectly acceptable lifestyle choices.