Author Topic: Trauma Consultant Alan Pike testifies as to Kate's mental health after release of Amaral book.  (Read 40597 times)

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Offline Jean-Pierre

Not in 2007, no, but since then.

The McCanns are claiming (amongst other things) that KM's mental health has been tested to the point of feeling suicidal. That was a much more recent development.

I am also thinking ahead a bit - as, presumably, are the McCanns. Is this trial the last time they are likely to appear in court?

Having a mental health professional to attest to one's psychological state is important for anyone 'on trial' for whatever reason. The McCanns have young twins in their care, for example, and could find themselves in the position of having to defend their psychological health with regard to looking after them..

Various reasons why being in regular contact with a psychiatrist would be important in the McCanns' position.

Why on earth would Kate McCann need to be in regular contact with a psychiatrist?   She is not suffering from mental illness.   Surely you mean psychologist?

Psychology is the study of people: how they think, how they act, react and interact. Psychology is concerned with all aspects of behaviour and the thoughts, feelings and motivation underlying such behaviour.

Psychiatry is the study of mental disorders and their diagnosis, management and prevention. Psychiatrists are medical doctors who have qualified in psychiatry. They often combine a broad general caseload alongside an area of special expertise and research.





Offline colombosstogey

someone lacking serotonin or noradrenaline in their brain, leading to thoughts of desperation, despair or even suicide.

This can be caused by a stressful life event such as a death or divorce. It can also be spontaneous.

Depression is an illness that is outside of the 'normal' range of emotions. It's the differance  between a spot and acne, a mole and skin cancer.

Suggesting treating clinical depression with meditation is like suggesting someone treats a brain tumour with a foot massage.

Depression is usually already present. It takes something to become really depressed it takes time, and it just creeps up on you.

I know.

I wonder if the depression was already present it wouldnt surprise me having to care for 3 young children under 3 its hard work, and perhaps a bit of post natal depression on top.

Anyone who has lost their child is going to feel depressed even suicidal at times who wouldnt its a normal reaction.

BUT you need to see a QUALIFIED counsellor in order to deal with it effectively.
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Offline Victoria

A large number of people in the UK will experience suicidal thoughts each year, and many more will suffer from depression. A fraction of these will ever see a psychiatrist. I believe something like one in four people in the UK will experience mental illness (including anxiety and depression) at some point in their lives. Most of these who actually seek help will be unlikely to get further than their GP.

As for seeing a psychologist (not a psychiatrist), even on the NHS, a GP's referral for someone suffering with depression is likely to be to a therapist who the surgery knows and trusts, but most of the time this will not be a psychologist.

If someone reports depression to a GP, they would of course be asked whether they had suicidal thoughts, amongst other things. Importantly, having suicidal thoughts does not actually mean the person is a risk to themselves. Only in extreme cases would a healthcare professional take immediate action, and this would, if there was a genuine threat that the individual would kill themselves, involve sectioning them. An incredibly extreme option.

Kate McCann was provided with a trauma expert immediately by a third party (Mark Warner). She obviously built a good relationship with him because she kept using him. There was no need for her to be referred to a psychologist, a GP or a psychiatrist. If she had a good relationship with her therapist, why would she move onto a different one?

Offline Mr Gray

Depression is usually already present. It takes something to become really depressed it takes time, and it just creeps up on you.

I know.

I wonder if the depression was already present it wouldnt surprise me having to care for 3 young children under 3 its hard work, and perhaps a bit of post natal depression on top.

Anyone who has lost their child is going to feel depressed even suicidal at times who wouldnt its a normal reaction.

BUT you need to see a QUALIFIED counsellor in order to deal with it effectively.

 She did see a qualified counsellor...one of the best available if you look on their website. A specialist in trauma counselling. Which is exactly what Kate needed. please don't hold yorurself up to be an expert in these matters when you are not.

interestingly for all the expert opinion on this forum...did Amarals team challenge the fact that the book made her further depressed ...NO...did amarals team question why she had not seen a psychiatrist...no..she didn't need to

stephen25000

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She did see a qualified counsellor...one of the best available if you look on their website. A specialist in trauma counselling. Which is exactly what Kate needed. please don't hold yorurself up to be an expert in these matters when you are not.

interestingly for all the expert opinion on this forum...did Amarals team challenge the fact that the book made her further depressed ...NO...did amarals team question why she had not seen a psychiatrist...no..she didn't need to

How do you know what 'kate' needed ?

 

Offline Mr Gray

What a silly thing to say

Suicidal tendencies/thoughts are a sign of very serious mental illness and not even a GP would consider offering treatment until an urgent assessment had been been made by a psychiatrist ,  almost invarioubly after emergency  admittance to a  psychiatric unit

what a very ,very silly thing to say...totally wrong

stephen25000

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what a very ,very silly thing to say...totally wrong

So are you  an expert in the field of psychiatry ?

Offline Mr Gray

So she wasn't depressed then?

Not such a simple answer as it seems. My opinion..and its just that,an opinion, is that Kate suffered PTSD which triggered depression...there is no doubt that this is best treated by an experienced counsellor using CBT. If you look at the CCP website...they have experience in treating  people involved in traumatic events

Offline jassi

So are you  an expert in the field of psychiatry ?

Of course he is - he's an expert in everything.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Mr Gray

So are you  an expert in the field of psychiatry ?

 I have some expertise...take it or leave it... Im not willing to divulge personal information

Cariad

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what a very ,very silly thing to say...totally wrong

We're all discussing this without knowing the language that was used. For example, Mrs Mccann may have said "I've had suicidal feelings, but I'm coping better now" or she may have said "I don't want to go on living without my daughter" or " I have thought about how I would kill myself and have a plan in place".

All of those things would elicit a different reaction.

As Red posted earlier, Mrs Mccann had said in interviews that she never felt suicidal. Whether that's true, or it was just too personal for her to discuss on a tv show, I don't know.

The point is, Alan Pike is not qualified to make those distinctions. If he believed her to be suicidal (rather than experiencing suicidal feelings which she felt able to cope with) he should have handed her care to someone else.

 

Offline Mr Gray

We're all discussing this without knowing the language that was used. For example, Mrs Mccann may have said "I've had suicidal feelings, but I'm coping better now" or she may have said "I don't want to go on living without my daughter" or " I have thought about how I would kill myself and have a plan in place".

All of those things would elicit a different reaction.

As Red posted earlier, Mrs Mccann had said in interviews that she never felt suicidal. Whether that's true, or it was just too personal for her to discuss on a tv show, I don't know.

The point is, Alan Pike is not qualified to make those distinctions. If he believed her to be suicidal (rather than experiencing suicidal feelings which she felt able to cope with) he should have handed her care to someone else.

 You are quite right in as much as there are different levels of suicidal thoughts... Mr Pike is an experienced counsellor and Im sure he would know how serious... the threat was

Offline Mr Gray





Some information on PTSD

Posttraumatic stress disorder, or PTSD, is a serious potentially debilitating condition that can occur in people who have experienced or witnessed a natural disaster, serious accident, terrorist incident, sudden death of a loved one, war, violent personal assault such as rape, or other life-threatening events.

Most people who experience such events recover from them, but people with PTSD continue to be severely depressed and anxious for months or even years following the event.


 The fact that Maddie may have met a violent death would sadly have triggered this.



Offline pathfinder73

"There are days when I just want to ‘fast forward’ all of our lives so that they’ll be over, with no more pain, and we’ll all be together again." (KM)

Thoughts? Want our lives to be over i.e. death and then we'll all be together again?
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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

stephen25000

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I have some expertise...take it or leave it... Im not willing to divulge personal information

Why should anyone believe you have expertise in this field ?