Is there any evidence at all which points to Madeleine being alive or dead?

[sadie]

Yes, there is no physical evidence that proves she is dead,

However there would appear to be some indications that she may have been less than one hundred percent alive before she left the apartment.

Indications?  Would you care to specify ?



Ah the doggies dont lie, do they?  Trouble is that they mark for urine, saliva, semen, finger nails stc. in exactly the same way as for cadavar odour .... and Grimes made it clear that their marking was not a safe indicator of anything criminal ... or even death, it seems .

Just sad that Amaral didn't undestand ... or chose not to.

[icabodcrane]

Indications?  Would you care to specify ?



Ah the doggies dont lie, do they?  Trouble is that they mark for urine, saliva, semen, finger nails stc. in exactly the same way as for cadavar odour .... and Grimes made it clear that their marking was not a safe indicator of anything criminal ... or even death, it seems .

Just sad that Amaral didn't undestand ... or chose not to.

Whilst the child remains  'disappeared'  there is no logical reason to presume the cadavor dog got it wrong

He is,  statisically,  and historically,  more likely to have 'got it right'   afterall 

[sadie]

Well if she isn't alive she must be dead?  Surely even you can agree with that Sadie??

In modern times no child has ever been returned to her parents alive after so many years.  For it to happen now to Madeleine would be a sheer miracle.  I think we can safely say she is dead and what's more a court will confirm it later this year.

Question will be then - Who killed Madeleine McCann??

Anyone who isn't alive is dead.  We all know that, Angelo, but what we do not know is that anything to do with dying has happened to Madeleine.

Smithman is unlikely to have been carrying a dead girl around.  It would have been asking for potential trouble to have done so.  He would just have dumped her in a hidden spot, local to where she died.


I am still convinced that the Zinat photograph showed Madeleine.  That little girl was NOT Bushra.  The features are wrong and the mass of the childs body also wrong.  See the way she sits

Also the video in Molenbeek .  Walking around the bank.  See the colours of the tartan of the kilt. 

Interesting  >@@(*&)

[icabodcrane]

Anyone who isn't alive is dead.  We all know that, Angelo, but what we do not know is that anything to do with dying has happened to Madeleine.

Smithman is unlikely to have been carrying a dead girl around.  It would have been asking for potential trouble to have done so.  He would just have dumped her in a hidden spot, local to where she died.


I am still convinced that the Zinat photograph showed Madeleine.  That little girl was NOT Bushra.  The features are wrong and the mass of the childs body also wrong.  See the way she sits

Also the video in Molenbeek .  Walking around the bank.  See the colours of the tartan of the kilt. 

Interesting  >@@(*&)

That's your problem sadie,  even when your theories have been comprehensively disproven you continue to hold onto them

[Wonderfulspam]

Anyone who isn't alive is dead.  We all know that, Angelo, but what we do not know is that anything to do with dying has happened to Madeleine.

Smithman is unlikely to have been carrying a dead girl around.  It would have been asking for potential trouble to have done so.  He would just have dumped her in a hidden spot, local to where she died.


I am still convinced that the Zinat photograph showed Madeleine.  That little girl was NOT Bushra.  The features are wrong and the mass of the childs body also wrong.  See the way she sits

Also the video in Molenbeek .  Walking around the bank.  See the colours of the tartan of the kilt. 

Interesting  >@@(*&)

"Smithman is unlikely to have been carrying a dead girl around."


Unless the girl he was carrying was dead. In which case it is rather likely he was.

[sadie]

Whilst the child remains  'disappeared'  there is no logical reason to presume the cadavor dog got it wrong

He is,  statisically,  and historically,  more likely to have 'got it right'   afterall

No you are wrong.  There is no reason to think he got it right.  It was just a marking and could have been urine, saliva, sweat , anything along thase lines .... and you know it.  Why are you pushing something thta is not indicative of the one thing.

As for statistics, we all know that the majority of child disapoearances are allied to parents ... but that still leaves a sizeable minority. I would hate to see you on a jury, Icabod, if you latch on to such woolley things as proof of any sort.

How much urine, saliva, semen, finger nails was found at the location the dog indicated? None? Must just leave the cadaver scent then. Thanks for clearing that one up once and for all 

How do you know buzz?  how do you know if it was cadavar, either?

[sadie]

"Smithman is unlikely to have been carrying a dead girl around."


Unless the girl he was carrying was dead. In which case it is rather likely he was.

Great logic there WSpam 

[Benice]

I don't see what your problem with understanding this is...what kate is saying is that she cant say 100% maddie is alive.. which is confirmed by what she says  ...theres a chance shes alive.


Its clumsy language in a live interview...nothing more

Again...It you seem to have to condemn the mccanns are opinions dressed up as facts...and misunderstandings like this...pretty pathetic really

It is pathetic but nothing surprises me anymore on how some people can convince themselves that a statement actually means the opposite of what it quite clearly says.

For instance:

''Neither her parents or any of the members of the group that were with her are either persons of interest or suspects''
DCI Redwood
Unquote

Apparently to some people  that means they are still suspects.   Inexplicable logic.

[stephen25000]

Anyone who isn't alive is dead.  We all know that, Angelo, but what we do not know is that anything to do with dying has happened to Madeleine.

Smithman is unlikely to have been carrying a dead girl around.  It would have been asking for potential trouble to have done so.  He would just have dumped her in a hidden spot, local to where she died.


I am still convinced that the Zinat photograph showed Madeleine.  That little girl was NOT Bushra.  The features are wrong and the mass of the childs body also wrong.  See the way she sits

Also the video in Molenbeek .  Walking around the bank.  See the colours of the tartan of the kilt. 

Interesting  >@@(*&)

No, it's your imagination peeps.

Simples, init.

[Wonderfulspam]

It is pathetic but nothing surprises me anymore on how some people can convince themselves that a statement actually means the opposite of what it quite clearly says.

For instance:

''Neither her parents or any of the members of the group that were with her are either persons of interest or suspects''
DCI Redwood
Unquote

Apparently to some people  that means they are still suspects.   Inexplicable logic.

"It is pathetic but nothing surprises me anymore on how some people can convince themselves that a statement actually means the opposite of what it quite clearly says."

So Benice. What does this statement clearly say?

'what evidence does anyone have to suggest that Madeleine is dead?' because we know of no evidence to suggest otherwise and we would like a public acknowledgement of that."

[Benice]

How much urine, saliva, semen, finger nails was found at the location the dog indicated? None? Must just leave the cadaver scent then. Thanks for clearing that one up once and for all 

They don't have to be there - only to have been in contact to leave a scent - or could be underground - like the milk teeth found in Jersey as a result of Eddie's alerts.    This is why Martin Grimes repeatedly states that no evidential value can be given to those alerts unless there is evidence found to prove what it was Eddie alerted to  i.e. scent from a decomposing dead body or scent from decomposing material from a live person.

 

[Wonderfulspam]

Furthermore Benice, seeing as you are so good at understanding stuff, could you tell me what on earth this rambling nonsense is all about?

Quote from: davel on Today at 02:09:16 PM

"Again...It you seem to have to condemn the mccanns are opinions dressed up as facts...and misunderstandings like this...pretty pathetic really"

[stephen25000]

Furthermore Benice, seeing as you are so good at understanding stuff, could you tell me what on earth this rambling nonsense is all about?

Quote from: davel on Today at 02:09:16 PM

"Again...It you seem to have to condemn the mccanns are opinions dressed up as facts...and misunderstandings like this...pretty pathetic really"

Yes pure drivel, or should I say, davel ?

[Benice]

"It is pathetic but nothing surprises me anymore on how some people can convince themselves that a statement actually means the opposite of what it quite clearly says."

So Benice. What does this statement clearly say?

'what evidence does anyone have to suggest that Madeleine is dead?' because we know of no evidence to suggest otherwise and we would like a public acknowledgement of that."

GM is saying there is no evidence that Madeleine is dead.    In that statement he has obviously used the wrong word and said 'otherwise' instead of 'that'.        To use that one word as proof that he meant something different to what it is quite obvious he was saying -  is ridiculous.   

If either of the McCanns had ever stated that there was no evidence that their daughter was alive and asked for a public acknowledgement of that fact - it would have been headline news. 

Common sense please.

[slartibartfast]

They don't have to be there - only to have been in contact to leave a scent - or could be underground - like the milk teeth found in Jersey as a result of Eddie's alerts.    This is why Martin Grimes repeatedly states that no evidential value can be given to those alerts unless there is evidence found to prove what it was Eddie alerted to  i.e. scent from a decomposing dead body or scent from decomposing material from a live person.

You are aware that human bone was found in Jersey?