Is there a divergence of wills? Has Tannerman really been eliminated?

[AnneGuedes]

When I said Tannerman had been eliminated I was jumped on from all directions and told that it was not DEFINITE that the tourist was the man JT saw and that was NOT what SY had said -  and that SY were NOT 100% certain.            If that is the case then any further information regarding this tourist could be helpful to SY to confirm or otherwise their present strong belief that he was the man JT saw.   

Seems sensible enough to me.

How could they be certain that Ms Tanner, considering she saw a carrier at that time and place, saw Innocentman ?
Nobody can, not even Ms Tanner who has a blank on the face topic.
What DCI Redwood is certain of, however, is Madeleine wasn't abducted at the time suggested by Ms Tanner. In fact there was no need to suppress Tannerman, DCI Redwood could just put him at the back of the scene and bring Smithman to the front.
But he gently killed Tannerman. I feel he'll never resurrect him.

[Lyall]

How could they be certain that Ms Tanner, considering she saw a carrier at that time and place, saw Innocentman ?
Nobody can, not even Ms Tanner who has a blank on the face topic.
What DCI Redwood is certain of, however, is Madeleine wasn't abducted at the time suggested by Ms Tanner. In fact there was no need to suppress Tannerman, DCI Redwood could just put him at the back of the scene and bring Smithman to the front.
But he gently killed Tannerman. I feel he'll never resurrect him.

The police are "certain"? >@@(*&) I can hear the lawyers from here

(That would indeed be a brave policeman, Anne, if true).

[Benice]

THEY NEVER PUSHED FOR AN INVESTIGATION.They asked UK for a review.

If they wanted the portuguese investigation to be kept open they could have done that, they didn't.

If they wanted the portuguese investigation to be reopened they could have done it, they didn't.

All they did was going to the Media with requests of a review, and when they finally made the mistake (for them) to write the open letter to Cameron I bet they never expected  it to happen.

Hilarious!  So what were they pushing for - and why bother in the first place?    They would have to be a couple of nutters to sit down and decide to persistently ask for the case to be looked into again if they were guilty and had got away with it.    And so would their friends.     

The actions of all nine of them are the complete opposite of what guilty people would do - unless they are all completely insane.       Honestly -  it really is too barmy for words. IMO.

[Lyall]

Hilarious!  So what were they pushing for - and why bother in the first place?    They would have to be a couple of nutters to sit down and decide to persistently ask for the case to be looked into again if they were guilty and had got away with it.    And so would their friends.     

The actions of all nine of them are the complete opposite of what guilty people would do - unless they are all completely insane.       Honestly -  it really is too barmy for words. IMO.

Listen to the words spoken by the witnesses in Lisbon, Benice. There is a motive there for wishing to have British police involvement: the history of the case that will one day be read by their children.

[John]

Why should The McCanns not have slightly different ideas?  They aren't exactly shouting about it, and neither are Scotland Yard.  In fact, nothing definite has been said by either of them.  So why should not both options still be open?

So far nothing has been said to explain the difference in direction from the creche.  And we are only talking of approximately half an hour.  So until I know why that man was coming from the wrong direction I am unlikely to take it as gospel.

I asked earlier for confirmation as to where the night crèche was for a very specific reason.

Does anyone think, as I do, that they have made a serious but fundamental error over the claim that Innocentman was returning back from the night crèche?  Have they in fact mixed up the day crèche located by the tennis courts with the juniors club located as was the night crèche above main reception?

As has been pointed out on many occasions, the man Tanner saw was coming from the direction of the tennis courts and not from main reception.

Could this whole abductor walking with a child in his arms scenario be a total red herring.  Was Madeleine actually bundled into a car in the car park right outside the front door to the apartment?

[Luz]

I asked earlier for confirmation as to where the night crèche was for a very specific reason.

Does anyone think, as I do, that they have made a serious but fundamental error over the claim that Innocentman was returning back from the night crèche?  Have they in fact mixed up the day crèche located by the tennis courts with the juniors club located as was the night crèche above main reception?

As has been pointed out on many occasions, the man Tanner saw was coming from the direction of the tennis courts and not from main reception.

Could this whole abductor walking with a child in his arms scenario be a total red herring.  Was Madeleine actually bundled into a car in the car park right outside the front door to the apartment?

No forced entry by the front door, no jemmied window shutters....
Yeahhhhhhh, I guess she could if there were complicites in the family circle

[AnneGuedes]

THEY NEVER PUSHED FOR AN INVESTIGATION.

They asked UK for a review.

Very true.

[AnneGuedes]

I asked earlier for confirmation as to where the night crèche was for a very specific reason.

Does anyone think, as I do, that they have made a serious but fundamental error over the claim that Innocentman was returning back from the night crèche?  Have they in fact mixed up the day crèche located by the tennis courts with the juniors club located as was the night crèche above main reception?

As has been pointed out on many occasions, the man Tanner saw was coming from the direction of the tennis courts and not from main reception.

Could this whole abductor walking with a child in his arms scenario be a total red herring.  Was Madeleine actually bundled into a car in the car park right outside the front door to the apartment?

No.
They can't have made a confusion with the Tapas creche. Innocentman would have only one exit, the secondary reception, and could absolutely not have been coming from Agostinho da Silva.

[pathfinder73]

I asked earlier for confirmation as to where the night crèche was for a very specific reason.

Does anyone think, as I do, that they have made a serious but fundamental error over the claim that Innocentman was returning back from the night crèche?  Have they in fact mixed up the day crèche located by the tennis courts with the juniors club located as was the night crèche above main reception?

As has been pointed out on many occasions, the man Tanner saw was coming from the direction of the tennis courts and not from main reception.

That's what I originally thought - that he left from the other crèche because the direction in which he was seen walking. It would be interesting to find out more information about crecheman and his movements that night especially in light of those pics of him taken weeks earlier at the beach wearing the same clothes. Where was he staying? How long was in PDL? Why was he silent for so long? Did he pass or see anyone? How old was his child at the time? Where was he living in May 07? Where was he at 10pm? I presume SY would have covered the route he took back from the crèche and everything before effectively clearing him. 

The investigation has to move forward to the 10pm sighting as this man has never came forward to clear his name which doesn't surprise me 

[AnneGuedes]

The police are "certain"? >@@(*&) I can hear the lawyers from here

(That would indeed be a brave policeman, Anne, if true).

This is the problem with the negation.. Are lawyers grammarians ?
What element of the sentence is affected by the negation in "the police is certain that Madeleine wasn't abducted at this time and place" ? "Abducted" ? Or "this time and place" ?
I meant "this time and place" and you understood "abducted" ! Funny.. for us and a headache for CR...

[John]

No.
They can't have made a confusion with the Tapas creche. Innocentman would have only one exit, the secondary reception, and could absolutely not have been coming from Agostinho da Silva.

But there is a walkway through the Ocean Club Garden block Anne, anyone exiting from the tennis courts don't have to pass the tapas.

[Lyall]

This is the problem with the negation.. Are lawyers grammarians ?
What element of the sentence is affected by the negation in "the police is certain that Madeleine wasn't abducted at this time and place" ? "Abducted" ? Or "this time and place" ?
I meant "this time and place" and you understood "abducted" ! Funny.. for us and a headache for CR...

I understand Anne, but my head's hurting now: it's getting Kafkaesque

[AnneGuedes]

But there is a walkway through the Ocean Club Garden block Anne, anyone exiting from the tennis courts don't have to pass the tapas.

Where ?
The use of the tennis courts is reserved to the guests. There was a magnetic card device in the Tapas reception to check who got in. All guests received a card.

[AnneGuedes]

I understand Anne, but my head's hurting now: it's getting Kafkaesque

Gosh, has CR succeeded in getting you on board ?

[Lyall]

Gosh, has CR succeeded in getting you on board ?

Oh yes, I have had my own revelation moment