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Redblossom

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Re: Is there a divergence of wills? Has Tannerman really been eliminated?
« Reply #150 on: January 23, 2014, 03:06:36 PM »
But there is a walkway through the Ocean Club Garden block Anne, anyone exiting from the tennis courts don't have to pass the tapas.

but Redwood said they spoke to the family about what they were doing on the night and they themselves believe they could be the Tanner sightng...the day creche doesnt come into it timewise at all, see

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AnneGuedes

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Re: Is there a divergence of wills? Has Tannerman really been eliminated?
« Reply #151 on: January 23, 2014, 03:20:20 PM »
Oh yes, I have had my own revelation moment 8(0(*
Oh I see, faking to fake to better cheat... Lyall 007.

Lyall

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Re: Is there a divergence of wills? Has Tannerman really been eliminated?
« Reply #152 on: January 23, 2014, 03:42:19 PM »
Oh I see, faking to fake to better cheat... Lyall 007.

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Re: Is there a divergence of wills? Has Tannerman really been eliminated?
« Reply #153 on: January 23, 2014, 03:59:38 PM »
Why should The McCanns not have slightly different ideas?  They aren't exactly shouting about it, and neither are Scotland Yard.  In fact, nothing definite has been said by either of them.  So why should not both options still be open?

So far nothing has been said to explain the difference in direction from the creche.  And we are only talking of approximately half an hour.  So until I know why that man was coming from the wrong direction I am unlikely to take it as gospel.

The mcCanns have every right to hold different ideas. If any one of us, God forbid, was in their situation, we would have strong opinions too.

The question is about the wisdom of their contradicting Scotland Yard. Crime watch was all about Smithman, yet there is a full page on the FM website relating to bundleman and other suspects that aren't being mentioned officially at this point.

And it is also about the McCanns' relationship with the public. Crimewatch cost a great deal of money; the McCanns were privileged to be able to showcase the investigation there. But now,  without explanation, they appear to be at odds with the program's main thrust.


AnneGuedes

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Re: Is there a divergence of wills? Has Tannerman really been eliminated?
« Reply #154 on: January 23, 2014, 04:12:22 PM »
The question is about the wisdom of their contradicting Scotland Yard. Crime watch was all about Smithman, yet there is a full page on the FM website relating to bundleman and other suspects that aren't being mentioned officially at this point.
I didn't see the same CW, then, because Smithman's presence didn't eclipse the extincted Tannerman's one. Quid of his modus operandi for instance ?
The famous e-fits were mixed up with old, implausible and saturated e-fits in a confusion I find it hard to explain.
If I knew that the Yard desperately attempted to save the goat and the cabbage, I might understand better.

Lyall

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Re: Is there a divergence of wills? Has Tannerman really been eliminated?
« Reply #155 on: January 23, 2014, 04:14:50 PM »
I didn't see the same CW, then, because Smithman's presence didn't eclipse the extincted Tannerman's one. Quid of his modus operandi for instance ?
The famous e-fits were mixed up with old, implausible and saturated e-fits in a confusion I find it hard to explain.
If I knew that the Yard desperately attempted to save the goat and the cabbage, I might understand better.

It's not our job to explain it, just to describe it. Imo ?{)(**

If there were an easy, uncontroversial explanation, wouldn't they have provided it?
« Last Edit: January 23, 2014, 04:18:16 PM by Lyall »

AnneGuedes

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Re: Is there a divergence of wills? Has Tannerman really been eliminated?
« Reply #156 on: January 23, 2014, 04:22:52 PM »
If there were an easy, uncontroversial explanation, wouldn't they have provided it?
I think so. That wouldn't interfere with the investigation after all. And DCI Redwood would have been admired for his sleuth qualities instead of doing the clown with rotten pyjamas.

Estuarine

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Re: Is there a divergence of wills? Has Tannerman really been eliminated?
« Reply #157 on: January 23, 2014, 04:23:40 PM »
The mcCanns have every right to hold different ideas. If any one of us, God forbid, was in their situation, we would have strong opinions too.

The question is about the wisdom of their contradicting Scotland Yard. Crime watch was all about Smithman, yet there is a full page on the FM website relating to bundleman and other suspects that aren't being mentioned officially at this point.

And it is also about the McCanns' relationship with the public. Crimewatch cost a great deal of money; the McCanns were privileged to be able to showcase the investigation there. But now,  without explanation, they appear to be at odds with the program's main thrust.

Possibly they are playing their only remaining card ? Maybe this is their "Martha and the Vandellas" moment http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABbc-O_3_Ac

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Re: Is there a divergence of wills? Has Tannerman really been eliminated?
« Reply #158 on: January 23, 2014, 04:37:43 PM »
Possibly they are playing their only remaining card ? Maybe this is their "Martha and the Vandellas" moment http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABbc-O_3_Ac

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They really don't want to lose Bundleman do they, the Smithman scenario is a road they would rather not travel.

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Offline j.rob

Re: Is there a divergence of wills? Has Tannerman really been eliminated?
« Reply #159 on: January 23, 2014, 06:27:33 PM »
She said she saw a man carrying a child whom she assumed to be female because of the colour of the pyjamas.

She was not in any way insistant that the child was Madeleine.

Ruling 'Tannerman' out as a suspect does not cast light on her integrity. If anything it reinforces it. The man who presented himself to SY in order to be ruled out of the investigation matches her description very well.

There are a great number of references throughout Kate's book that place Jane Tanners sighting as being of vital importance in the disappearance of Madeleine.  The inference throughout the book is clear: they believe this was a vital piece of evidence.

This cannot be denied.

Page 77: Kate writes about how Jane had initially assumed that her sighting of the man carrying the sleeping child was innocent. But 'as soon as she heard about Madeleine's disappearance, everything fell into place and she felt sick.'

Now this is an entirely unambiguous statement. It clearly is conveys that Jane Tanner strongly suspects that she saw Madeleine's abductor taking her away. Why else would she 'feel sick?'

Page 84: 'there is little doubt in my mind then, nor is there now, that what Jane saw was Madeleine's abductor taking her away'.

Come on folks - there is no ambiguity there.

Page 97: ''For a start there was Jane's sighting of what was, in all likelihood, Madeleine being carried off.'

Again, this is a very clear statement.

As it now appears that the police have ruled out Jane Tanner's sighting as having any relevance to the enquiry,  the focus must therefore be on other people.

I can't help noticing, on page 348 as Kate rages about Amaral with self-righteous indignation, she writes how 'he has been convicted of falsifying statements and has coordinated investigations into the disappearance of two little girls, neither of who mas been found. Why is this man being allowed a platform from which to peddle his absurd and offensive ideas? They say what goes around comes around. For Madeleine's sake, I certainly hope so.'

Well, it is interesting how Kate has latched onto the 'falsified statements'. As I have written elsewhere, having looked quite closely at the Cipriano case in which the mother and uncle of a child were convicted of her abuse, cruelty and murder under a team lead by Amaral, the 'falsified statements' conviction looks pretty much like one of those red herrings that tend to be flung around when there are people who desperately want to discredit someone. Someone who might put guilty people behind bars.

Kate is remarkably foolish in making some kind of association between the disappearance of Madeleine and the Cipriano case in which the mother was found guilty of the child's murder. The Cipriano case was a murder case and by suggesting that it involved 'the disappearance of a little girl who has not been found' she implies it was a wrongful conviction.

Take a look at the Cipriano case - it is excessively sordid, from the perspective of a little girl who was sexually abused, physically assaulted and then murdered. The child's mother and uncle, who were having an incestuous relationship, lied through their teeth to try to evade any responsibility for the child's disappearance. They are not exactly the type of people you would want babysitting your children.

Kate appears to be making the suggestion that the absence of a body in the Cipriano case somehow casts Amaral's team's conviction at doubt. I imagine that child murderers in general don't want to get caught so will go to quite extreme lengths  to get rid of the body.

She really should do her research before she starts slinging mud around.

No-one wants to be accused of falsifying statements, do they?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Is there a divergence of wills? Has Tannerman really been eliminated?
« Reply #160 on: January 23, 2014, 06:28:08 PM »
Possibly they are playing their only remaining card ? Maybe this is their "Martha and the Vandellas" moment http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABbc-O_3_Ac

posters have been saying similar things for the last six years.......anyone who thinks the MCCanns were criminally involved in Madddies disappearance is deluded...IMO

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Is there a divergence of wills? Has Tannerman really been eliminated?
« Reply #161 on: January 23, 2014, 06:30:45 PM »
There are a great number of references throughout Kate's book that place Jane Tanners sighting as being of vital importance in the disappearance of Madeleine.  The inference throughout the book is clear: they believe this was a vital piece of evidence.

This cannot be denied.

Page 77: Kate writes about how Jane had initially assumed that her sighting of the man carrying the sleeping child was innocent. But 'as soon as she heard about Madeleine's disappearance, everything fell into place and she felt sick.'

Now this is an entirely unambiguous statement. It clearly is conveys that Jane Tanner strongly suspects that she saw Madeleine's abductor taking her away. Why else would she 'feel sick?'

Page 84: 'there is little doubt in my mind then, nor is there now, that what Jane saw was Madeleine's abductor taking her away'.

Come on folks - there is no ambiguity there.

Page 97: ''For a start there was Jane's sighting of what was, in all likelihood, Madeleine being carried off.'

Again, this is a very clear statement.

As it now appears that the police have ruled out Jane Tanner's sighting as having any relevance to the enquiry,  the focus must therefore be on other people.

I can't help noticing, on page 348 as Kate rages about Amaral with self-righteous indignation, she writes how 'he has been convicted of falsifying statements and has coordinated investigations into the disappearance of two little girls, neither of who mas been found. Why is this man being allowed a platform from which to peddle his absurd and offensive ideas? They say what goes around comes around. For Madeleine's sake, I certainly hope so.'

Well, it is interesting how Kate has latched onto the 'falsified statements'. As I have written elsewhere, having looked quite closely at the Cipriano case in which the mother and uncle of a child were convicted of her abuse, cruelty and murder under a team lead by Amaral, the 'falsified statements' conviction looks pretty much like one of those red herrings that tend to be flung around when there are people who desperately want to discredit someone. Someone who might put guilty people behind bars.

Kate is remarkably foolish in making some kind of association between the disappearance of Madeleine and the Cipriano case in which the mother was found guilty of the child's murder. The Cipriano case was a murder case and by suggesting that it involved 'the disappearance of a little girl who has not been found' she implies it was a wrongful conviction.

Take a look at the Cipriano case - it is excessively sordid, from the perspective of a little girl who was sexually abused, physically assaulted and then murdered. The child's mother and uncle, who were having an incestuous relationship, lied through their teeth to try to evade any responsibility for the child's disappearance. They are not exactly the type of people you would want babysitting your children.

Kate appears to be making the suggestion that the absence of a body in the Cipriano case somehow casts Amaral's team's conviction at doubt. I imagine that child murderers in general don't want to get caught so will go to quite extreme lengths  to get rid of the body.

She really should do her research before she starts slinging mud around.

No-one wants to be accused of falsifying statements, do they?

Surely in any properly run police force amaral would have been suspended with those charges hanging over him

Lyall

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Re: Is there a divergence of wills? Has Tannerman really been eliminated?
« Reply #162 on: January 23, 2014, 06:42:27 PM »
posters have been saying similar things for the last six years.......anyone who thinks the MCCanns were criminally involved in Madddies disappearance is deluded...IMO

These two things could be separate. Ask Richard Nixon.

Or Danny Collins.

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: Is there a divergence of wills? Has Tannerman really been eliminated?
« Reply #163 on: January 24, 2014, 01:21:09 AM »
Why is it only now, some 6 years later, that this innocent tourist has been identified?  Where has he been for 6 years...Mars?

Apparently, he's been wondering why no-one followed up on the information he gave to police in 2007:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/editors-picks/madeleine-mccann-bungling-police-prime-2965027

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Perhaps a new thread?

Lyall

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Re: Is there a divergence of wills? Has Tannerman really been eliminated?
« Reply #164 on: January 24, 2014, 01:24:19 AM »
Apparently, he's been wondering why no-one followed up on the information he gave to police in 2007:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/editors-picks/madeleine-mccann-bungling-police-prime-2965027

 8-)(--)

Perhaps a new thread?

I think you have one already, SH, or it was all in Latest News but that article was definitely discussed. I employed some of my best waffle on that one 8)--))