Author Topic: Is there a divergence of wills? Has Tannerman really been eliminated?  (Read 46949 times)

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Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: Is there a divergence of wills? Has Tannerman really been eliminated?
« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2014, 05:49:56 PM »
The Find Madeleine website currently promotes the theory of Tannerman having absconded with Madeleine at 9.15 - contrary to the new 'timeline' and accompanying shift in focus of Scotland Yard.

The McCanns are making it very clear that they themselves now have very different ideas about the investigation than Scotland Yard. They are going as far as to contradict Scotland Yard, in fact.

They nonetheless agreed to participate in Crimewatch which promoted a reconstruction that, as far as we can gather, reflects Scotland Yard's understanding of events.

Millions of taxpayers money is being poured into SY headquarters, yet after many years of campaigning and fundraising, of pulling strings in government in order to get a formal UK investigation going, the McCanns are taking public steps that show their complete ambivalence to Scotland Yard's work.

What could explain this extraordinary state of affairs?

AnneGuedes

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Re: Is there a divergence of wills? Has Tannerman really been eliminated?
« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2014, 05:50:44 PM »
The question is not what Redwood is saying - it is what the McCanns are or aren't saying.

And although Redwoods words were that they were 'almost' certain that Tannerman had been eliminated, the reality of the reconstruction, and the the presentation of their being a radical shift in the understanding of the timeline, says something different.
Certainly. I think Lyall means that DCI Redwood couldn't seem to discredit Ms Tanner, whose sighting was in fact the only clue for more than 6 years, i.e the keystone of the abduction architecture.

Offline Carana

Re: Is there a divergence of wills? Has Tannerman really been eliminated?
« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2014, 05:53:36 PM »
I see the Smithman efits on their site.... Not sure what you mean.
http://findmadeleine.com/

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: Is there a divergence of wills? Has Tannerman really been eliminated?
« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2014, 05:59:58 PM »
Tannerman is still there on the home page, however.....

http://findmadeleine.com/campaigns/unidentified_people.html

'Unidentified people of interest to the enquiry'

Scotland Yard have identified this person.
« Last Edit: January 22, 2014, 06:03:26 PM by Sherlock Holmes »

Lyall

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Re: Is there a divergence of wills? Has Tannerman really been eliminated?
« Reply #19 on: January 22, 2014, 06:00:59 PM »
The question is not what Redwood is saying - it is what the McCanns are or aren't saying.

And although Redwoods words were that they were 'almost' certain that Tannerman had been eliminated, the reality of the reconstruction, and the the presentation of their being a radical shift in the understanding of the timeline, says something different.

It wasn't that radical, SH. They only mentioned two new pieces of information - one that nobody had heard before (possible ID of 9.15 man) and the other that had barely ever been mentioned before (10pm man). Everything else said and shown was the same. I think people may be putting too much emphasis on that one programme when the huge press spin before and after it shows it was coordinated PR by all concerned.

AnneGuedes

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Re: Is there a divergence of wills? Has Tannerman really been eliminated?
« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2014, 06:07:45 PM »
They were forced to relativize Tannerman because of all the sarcasms (on this site at least) about their omitting Smithman and then covering up with a Xmas tree.
But the comparison between the Fund site and the Met site is meaningful.

Lyall

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Re: Is there a divergence of wills? Has Tannerman really been eliminated?
« Reply #21 on: January 22, 2014, 06:08:48 PM »
The Find Madeleine website currently promotes the theory of Tannerman having absconded with Madeleine at 9.15 - contrary to the new 'timeline' and accompanying shift in focus of Scotland Yard.

The McCanns are making it very clear that they themselves now have very different ideas about the investigation than Scotland Yard. They are going as far as to contradict Scotland Yard, in fact.

They nonetheless agreed to participate in Crimewatch which promoted a reconstruction that, as far as we can gather, reflects Scotland Yard's understanding of events.

Millions of taxpayers money is being poured into SY headquarters, yet after many years of campaigning and fundraising, of pulling strings in government in order to get a formal UK investigation going, the McCanns are taking public steps that show their complete ambivalence to Scotland Yard's work.

What could explain this extraordinary state of affairs?

Could the police have done Crimewatch without mentioning 10pm man?

I know other people could have, but could the police? I think not. So how do you suddenly introduce him - and the efits - after all these years of him barely ever being mentioned (including 30 months of him never being mentioned by the Metropolitan Police themselves). I think that's the problem they faced.

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: Is there a divergence of wills? Has Tannerman really been eliminated?
« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2014, 06:13:46 PM »
Could the police have done Crimewatch without mentioning 10pm man?

I know other people could have, but could the police? I think not. So how do you suddenly introduce him - and the efits - after all these years of him barely ever being mentioned (including 30 months of him never being mentioned by the Metropolitan Police themselves). I think that's the problem they faced.

Surely he could have been introduced as another person of interest without promoting the program as an announcement that SY had made a radical revision of the timeline.

Many persons of interest were cited that night - the men on balconies, etc.- who may be just as involved in the disappearance (or not) as Smithman, yet their significance was glossed over very quickly.

Smithman was presented as the main event.

In any case, the question remains as to why Scotland Yard seem to have been promoting him above and beyond the other witnesses, and said they had ruled out Tannerman, while the McCann website still contains an entire page relating to Tannerman as a significant person.
« Last Edit: January 22, 2014, 06:16:15 PM by Sherlock Holmes »

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: Is there a divergence of wills? Has Tannerman really been eliminated?
« Reply #23 on: January 22, 2014, 06:19:46 PM »
They were forced to relativize Tannerman because of all the sarcasms (on this site at least) about their omitting Smithman and then covering up with a Xmas tree.
But the comparison between the Fund site and the Met site is meaningful.

Very funny, Anne!

But yes, this is the main point -  the Fund site campaigning for funds according to a certain set of ideas (that Scotland Yard have officially ruled out), and public money being syphoned off to Scotland Yard according to something very different.

Two different streams.

Offline jassi

Re: Is there a divergence of wills? Has Tannerman really been eliminated?
« Reply #24 on: January 22, 2014, 06:21:13 PM »
Surely he could have been introduced as another person of interest without promoting the program as an announcement that SY had made a radical revision of the timeline.

Many persons of interest were cited that night - the men on balconies, etc.- who may be just as involved in the disappearance (or not) as Smithman, yet their significance was glossed over very quickly.

Smithman was presented as the main event.

In any case, the question remains as to why Scotland Yard seem to have been promoting him above and beyond the other witnesses, and said they had ruled out Tannerman, while the McCann website still contains an entire page relating to Tannerman as a significant person.

You should know by now that Gerry always knows best.  @)(++(*
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

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Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: Is there a divergence of wills? Has Tannerman really been eliminated?
« Reply #25 on: January 22, 2014, 06:22:50 PM »
You should know by now that Gerry always knows best.  @)(++(*

It's an expensive kind of knowledge.

Lyall

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Re: Is there a divergence of wills? Has Tannerman really been eliminated?
« Reply #26 on: January 22, 2014, 06:24:46 PM »
Surely he could have been introduced as another person of interest without promoting the program as an announcement that SY had made a radical revision of the timeline.

Many persons of interest were cited that night - the men on balconies, etc.- who may be just as involved in the disappearance (or not) as Smithman, yet their significance was glossed over very quickly.

Smithman was presented as the main event.

But they also had to say for the first time that 9.15 man may have been identified, so if you don't then make a great big deal of 10pm man everyone involved is potentially in trouble: the public may have started asking questions about a) what is the point of this investigation when it has achieved nothing?, and b) the McCanns.

Lawyers would not have been at all happy about the second possibility. Doubtless they were aware beforehand about what was going to be said in Crimewatch (it's a big show and the audience was huge. It's potentially trouble if you make a mess of it).

Lyall

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Re: Is there a divergence of wills? Has Tannerman really been eliminated?
« Reply #27 on: January 22, 2014, 06:36:21 PM »
In any case, the question remains as to why Scotland Yard seem to have been promoting him above and beyond the other witnesses, and said they had ruled out Tannerman, while the McCann website still contains an entire page relating to Tannerman as a significant person.

Those door angles mentioned in the statements (and still featured in Crimewatch), SH. How do you explain that if nobody was in the apartment before 9.30?

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: Is there a divergence of wills? Has Tannerman really been eliminated?
« Reply #28 on: January 22, 2014, 06:38:37 PM »
But they also had to say for the first time that 9.15 man may have been identified, so if you don't then make a great big deal of 10pm man everyone involved is potentially in trouble: the public may have started asking questions about a) what is the point of this investigation when it has achieved nothing?, and b) the McCanns.

Lawyers would not have been at all happy about the second possibility. Doubtless they were aware beforehand about what was going to be said in Crimewatch (it's a big show and the audience was huge. It's potentially trouble if you make a mess of it).

Well first of all, DCI Redwood claims that the investigation is 'almost certain' in their ruling out of Tannerman as a suspect.

Personally I think it's semantics to suggest that the use of the word 'almost' indicates any real kind of doubt on the part of DCI Redwood and his team regarding this conclusion. There is always going to be a chance that a mistake has been made; mistakes occur all the time and in any profession. That goes without saying. But in this matter, a man has come forward to identify himself, has been interviewed by SY presumably quite extensively, matches the physical description of the person Jane Tanner saw, and has provided SY with details, unrevealed to us, which indicate to them that this is the man.

How much more certain could SY be, having had the benefit of meeting the person face to face and and speaking to him at length?

This is not the kind of evidence that involves much subjectivity, conjecture,  inference , interpretation etc..on the part of investigators, or a piece of evidence such as certain forensics for example that could be inconclusive. This is a flesh and blood person who presumably believes himself to have been that person on that night. How much more evidence do you need?

And why is it so that, having ruled Tannerman out, SY needed to be seen to have a replacement? If there was no equivalent replacement why inflate one into that position?  Why not just say that inquiries are ongoing?

 

Redblossom

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Re: Is there a divergence of wills? Has Tannerman really been eliminated?
« Reply #29 on: January 22, 2014, 06:48:58 PM »
One fact remains here.....CW/SY made a big deal about

A) Tannerman NOT being a person of interest/suspected abductor

B) Smithman needs to be found


And the other  fact is that the Mccanns website is asking for info in Tannerman still (oh and also spottyman and also ausrtralian vicky beckham lookalie for some odd reason) and is not promoting Smithman or the efit, only in general terms as one amongst many misfits / efits....In some strnge place off the main website

IE promoting one and not promoting the other?..in fact they have basically told SY to get stuffed in terms of well, WE still think Tannerman is possibly the abductor even if you dont.
Thats it basically.....