Lets have a look at the tapas-9 timeline and checks.

[Redblossom]

According to GMs statement of 10 th May KM made her check at 10 03 and after ten minutes he wondered where she was

[AnneGuedes]

According to GMs statement of 10 th May KM made her check at 10 03 and after ten minutes he wondered where she was

03 ! Funny attempt..
The question of the exact time of the alarm turned out to be pertinent only when Smithman was possibly identified in September.
But Smithman knew who he met and that he had to have an alibi, just in case.
Mr McCann attempted to push forward not Mrs McCann's checking time, but her return/alert time. He's the only one to say that she took ages.
In the night of the 3rd : at about 22.00 Kate discovered the facts
On the 4th : At about 22.00 it was his wife Kate who went to check on the children.
In the typed time line : 2200: (approx): KM leaves table to check children in 5A.
On the 10th : it being 22h03, he turned to alert KATE that it was time for her to go... About 10 minutes later, he started to worry about her lateness
On the 7th of Sept :  The third check was made by Kate at around 22:00. He does not know how long it was before Kate returned, but he does remember that shortly before she returned he was thinking of going to see what was going on, as it seemed a long time

But Mr O'Brien and the waiter indicate the same time for his return (21:45) and his meal arrived around 21:55, a couple of minutes before Mrs McCann launched the alarm (the uneaten beef proves it).

[Redblossom]

but according to Km in her book she took about 15/30 seconds to check the apartment before running out again...not ten minutes, sorry, I dont have a quote

Eta

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1105/11/pmt.01.html

From that interview, not the book

[AnneGuedes]

Mr McCann was indeed at the Tapas table when the alarm was launched. Lying about this had no justification at all and the group would be aware of it.
He was at the table, but the alarm was launched before 10.

[Redblossom]

Mr McCann was indeed at the Tapas table when the alarm was launched. Lying about this had no justification at all and the group would be aware of it.
He was at the table, but the alarm was launched before 10.

Thats what so many people remember, a very earlier time

[AnneGuedes]

but according to Km in her book she took about 15/30 seconds to check the apartment before running out again...not ten minutes, sorry, I dont have a quote

On the 4th : At around 10pm, the interviewee went to check on the children
On the 6th of Sept, her last words were : At 10PM she got up from the table,
In "Madeleine" : At 10pm I went back to the apartment myself..  I checked the wardrobe... all within about fifteen seconds,
This is coherent with knowing in a nutshell that Madeleine had been taken.

[pathfinder73]

On the 4th : At around 10pm, the interviewee went to check on the children
On the 6th of Sept, her last words were : At 10PM she got up from the table,
In "Madeleine" : At 10pm I went back to the apartment myself..  I checked the wardrobe... all within about fifteen seconds,
This is coherent with knowing in a nutshell that Madeleine had been taken.

Putting the timeline forward is not going to work. MO said she left to check at 9.50. Russ was back at the table at 9.45 and waited 5 minutes for his reheated steak. He got that when Kate left to check(9.50-52). She was back within 3 minutes (9.55) so they started outdoor searches just before 10pm. Smithman sighting is at 10pm or possibly an exact time 10.03pm

[AnneGuedes]

Thats what so many people remember, a very earlier time

5 minutes after the alarm, Mr McCann was neither in the Tapas resort looking into the pool nor at home. Keeping in mind that in a nutshell Mrs McCann knew that Madeleine had been taken, where was he ? Certainly not calling the police or asking the Tapas staff to call.

[AnneGuedes]

Putting the timeline forward is not going to work. MO said she left to check at 9.50. Russ was back at the table at 9.45 and waited 5 minutes for his reheated steak. He got that when Kate left to check(9.50-52). She was back within 3 minutes (9.55) so they started outdoor searches just before 10pm. Smithman sighting is at 10pm.

According to the first and independent or semi-independent statements, that's what happened.
And nobody knows where Mr McCann was around 10.

[AnneGuedes]

This is an important point that SY should have examined. Mr McCann's credibility is based on his presence at the table with the group when the alarm was launched. That would work if it could be proved that the disappearance occurred before..
But what if it didn't ?

[Wonderfulspam]

Putting the timeline forward is not going to work. MO said she left to check at 9.50. Russ was back at the table at 9.45 and waited 5 minutes for his reheated steak. He got that when Kate left to check(9.50-52). She was back within 3 minutes (9.55) so they started outdoor searches just before 10pm. Smithman sighting is at 10pm or possibly an exact time 10.03pm

No pathfinder,

Gerry was most definitely at the tapas bar at 10pm, there were 'dozens' of witnesses.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2462431/Madeleine-McCann-Police-say-Irish-family-seen-Maddie-taken.html


He most definitely wasn't seen by the Smith family carrying his deceased child toward the ocean,

Kate & Gerry had absolutely no involvement whatsoever in their daughters disappearance & it was burglars what done it.

[Redblossom]

Gerry and where he was at 10  or just before or after and when the alarm was raised etc,its really confusing me now lol so Im bowing out of the discussion for now..

[pathfinder73]

No pathfinder,

Gerry was most definitely at the tapas bar at 10pm, there were 'dozens' of witnesses.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2462431/Madeleine-McCann-Police-say-Irish-family-seen-Maddie-taken.html


He most definitely wasn't seen by the Smith family carrying his deceased child toward the ocean,

Kate & Gerry had absolutely no involvement whatsoever in their daughters disappearance & it was burglars what done it.

Yes the media have fallen hook line and sinker for that one and many others! The McCann's have always kept to the 30 minute timeline checks - no wonder 9, 9.30, 10pm?

[Redblossom]

It's interesting to compare 1st and 2nd statements. The motive is simple, if you were involved then you know that Smithman was carrying Madeleine away and you would try to suppress him and Tannerman popping up was like striking gold. The discrepancies and pyjamas relate and point towards him while Smithman is sneaking away.  MO put a major spanner in the words - the shutters weren't raised or the window open when he did his check. That's how they knew Madeleine had been abducted because of the raised shutters and open window but that would have meant that Madeleine left after 9.30 which would rule Tannerman out as being the abductor. Now they have to try and explain that with an opportunist burglar who magically happened to appear 30 minutes after Tannerman but never entered the apartment via the window. When the window evidence points to one person and no glove marks found. There's one interesting thing about the Tannerman sighting and that is the time that it happened because Madeleine wasn't in the apartment when MO did his check at 9.30pm IMO.

Matt saw no open shutters window or curtains.....years later their statements were changed (as in what they said in media interviews and their documentaries) from finding the curtains open or running over to open them. 2007...to they were actually closed still at 10 pm but the wind opened them..2009 and beynd

[Redblossom]

Anyway Im sure Im notthe only one who feels stuck in a wheel of groundhog day, weve had these discussions before


http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1754.msg54391#msg54391

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3112.msg114281#msg114281

two threads related Im sure there were a few others too