Little Moroccan girl Bushra Binhisa mistaken for Madeleine McCann revisited.

[John]

Sep. 26 - A photograph taken in Morocco of a fair-haired child bearing a striking resemblance to Madeleine McCann is not the missing four-year-old.

http://www.reuters.com/article/video/idUSL2635078520070926?videoId=67289

[Carew]

I will agree with that, facial expressions DO alter proportions.
But the highlights and shadows give absolutely NO indication of anything other than an alert but relaxed face, so it seems facial expressions such as you mention can be safely ruled out

Well.......I feel you should perhaps produce some scientific unbiased back-up.

 Maybe you want to believe it isn`t Bushra as much as you seem to feel others want to believe it is?

[sadie]

May we just look again at the proportions that i mentioned.  Can you see any face pulling at all?  I can only see a relaxed but interested face, with no signs of any face pulling

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/09/26/maddiespotted_narrowweb__300x540,0.jpg

http://img.welt.de/img/vermischtes/crop101083848/8018727786-ci3x2l-w620/maddiee-DW-Vermischtes-ZINAT.jpg


http://www.exposay.com/celebrity-photos/bouchra-benaissa-bouchra-benaissa-is-the-3-year-old-moroccan-girl-that-was-mistaken-for-madeleine-mccann-missing-4-year-old-b-14j4pM.jpg

Vertical proportions to measure:
Eyes to (end of) nose ... compared ... to (end of) nose to lip
Please compare Madeleines proportions to carried girls proportions .... then compare Bushras proportions to the carried girls proportions


 
The little girl being carried is NOT Bushra, but is remarkably like Madeleine.  The long upper lip gives it away.  Proportions all wrong for Bushra.  It is there before your very eyes.

Case made.

[Redblossom]

Do these blog entries  help?


http://rosaleen-thewhistler.blogspot.co.uk/2009/05/biometric-analysis-madeleine-in-morroco.html

http://rosaleen-thewhistler.blogspot.co.uk/2009/03/blog-post_8777.html

http://rosaleen-thewhistler.blogspot.co.uk/2009/03/baby-bushra.html

Lot of other links on right hand side

[Benice]

I think you raise some very good points, icabod, and it is important to address them. We do want discussion to be meaningful and valid.

As far as what you describe as 'taunts' go, or comments or posts one feels are of little value, one is under no obligation to respond to them. In fact I believe the less emotive and personal post are, the better. That is just my opinion.

As to the content of this particular thread and how I myself should respond, I personally do not know enough about proportions and so on as to be able to make a meaningful comment.  I do know that Sadie is qualified in technical drawing and art, and was a professional engineer for many years, hence her interest in the photographs. I myself know nothing of these subjects and don't feel that I have to put in comments simply to 'justify' the thread.

I respect you very much for wanting quality discussions and threads, icabod, and for stating the fact. I am of the same mind. Bear in mind, too, however, that we all have certain topics that we focus on because of our individual knowledge or interests, which are varied. We all  bring something different here and that is partly what makes this forum so interesting. There is plenty variety in thread topics also, and so I don't think that we should all feel able or obligated to have to comment on things we are not interested in or don't know about, just because they are there.

I personally did not make any postings whatsoever, for example, on that very long thread of Dhingra's, good as the thing was, because my scientific knowledge is very minimal and I was not able to fully appreciate the discussion.

And I was not being flippant when I suggested that Anne ignore this thread. Perhaps a better way of putting it would be to say that we should focus on the positive and build  up the threads we believe to be meaningful and which hopefully will lead us somewhere in this case. It is 'survival of the fittest' as far as these threads are concerned, and we can either attempt to create substantial discussion with some thing, or if that does not work, move on.

Good post SH.   And may I point out that there are plenty of theories posted on this forum which some people consider to be fantastical, and totally outlandish - whilst others embrace them and agree with them    But no-one suggests that the threads  be removed.

The suggestion that anyone can purport any theory/opinion they like on the McCann case except Sadie - is obviously wrong.     Sadie is just as entitled to express her honestly-held opinions as anyone else.    No-one here is being forced to read them or agree with them.       

 

[Redblossom]

You will find that the real image of Bushra was doctored Sadie, guess by whom?   A clue...  Barcelona

I tend to agree, if the image of the child  on that womans back is of Madeleine it doesnt mean Madelene was actually there!

There was always something extremely iffy about this episode and sadly alot of people got sucked in!

just my opinion of course!

[icabodcrane]

Good post SH.   And may I point out that there are plenty of theories posted on this forum which some people consider to be fantastical, and totally outlandish - whilst others embrace them and agree with them    But no-one suggests that the threads  be removed.

The suggestion that anyone can purport any theory/opinion they like on the McCann case except Sadie - is obviously wrong.     Sadie is just as entitled to express her honestly-held opinions as anyone else.    No-one here is being forced to read them or agree with them.     

Out of curiousity Benice,  do  you  agree with them  ?

Do you agree with sadie  that the little girl in the grainy image is  'definately  NOT' Bushra and that she is probably Madeleine  ?

Do you agree with sadie that the person carrying  ( Madeleine )   is a man wearing comedy breasts with blue marker nipples  ? 

In fact  ...  does  ANYONE  here agree with that  ? 

Is there a single member who agrees with sadie   and believes her  observations are probably accurate  ?

[Redblossom]

Good post SH.   And may I point out that there are plenty of theories posted on this forum which some people consider to be fantastical, and totally outlandish - whilst others embrace them and agree with them    But no-one suggests that the threads  be removed.

The suggestion that anyone can purport any theory/opinion they like on the McCann case except Sadie - is obviously wrong.     Sadie is just as entitled to express her honestly-held opinions as anyone else.    No-one here is being forced to read them or agree with them.     

When you are on a forum you read the posts, after you have read  them its too late to change your mind and thnk, I didnt read that!


 

Theories are one thing, them being stuffed down your throat as fact is another!

Cheers.

[Carew]

I will agree with that, facial expressions DO alter proportions.
But the highlights and shadows give absolutely NO indication of anything other than an alert but relaxed face, so it seems facial expressions such as you mention can be safely ruled out

I do not feel that you are in a position to safely rule anything out as if it were a fact.

[John]

The following article might be of some help.  An interview with Clara Torres who took the photo.



The picture was taken through the windscreen of a car in Morocco



Clara Torres: Took the original picture of the girl.

"As soon as I took the photo we were struck by the little girl, who was very blonde. I was on a trip in Morocco and took many pictures, just random ones. This was one of those pictures. I remember being struck by her and even mentioned the name Madeleine to my boyfriend.

"But I didn't think too much of it at the time because although it is uncommon it is not unusual to get blonde people in that part of the world. Also, I didn't think Madeleine could be in Morocco.

"It was only when I got home and saw the news on Monday about two possible sightings of Madeleine in Morocco that I remembered the picture and went through my photos. When I saw it for the second time and focused in on the child's face, I realised it could be her.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/witness-seeing-madeleine-in-morocco-sent-shivers-down-my-spine-7245195.html

[sadie]

http://img.welt.de/img/vermischtes/crop101083848/8018727786-ci3x2l-w620/maddiee-DW-Vermischtes-ZINAT.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_QldrzxvBHk4/Sf7D3eJS4wI/AAAAAAAAAfs/Ay_49ygwn4w/s320/06-McCann-ID-test-com_4-5-a.gif


What were they thinking of using the two year old Madeleines face above, especially smiling so strongly, for the so called "scientific" biometric tests?   The basic criteria was wrong.  The face was a toddlers not a 4+ year old.  See the differences.
She was 4 years. 4 months at the time of the sighting in Zinat , and her face had changed from toddlers to little girl, by that time.


The one in the red dress is infinitely better than the chosen toddler one.  What a pity that the photo below isn't full face and  unsmiling ... cos it is fairly up to date

Most suitable of all would have been a full face non smiling photograph taken at PdL, if there was one, but it seems there wasn't one.


http://www.findmadeleine.com/images/last_photo.jpg

[Redblossom]

Do these blog entries  help?


http://rosaleen-thewhistler.blogspot.co.uk/2009/05/biometric-analysis-madeleine-in-morroco.html

http://rosaleen-thewhistler.blogspot.co.uk/2009/03/blog-post_8777.html

http://rosaleen-thewhistler.blogspot.co.uk/2009/03/baby-bushra.html

Lot of other links on right hand side

Bump for sadie

[sadie]

I do not feel that you are in a position to safely rule anything out as if it were a fact.

Carew, I tend to agree with you.  Nothing should be ruled out.  That is why what i am saying should be considered.
Rejected if there are sound reasons to do so.

BUT, I can tell you that with my experienced eye, I know that the little girl is not pulling her upper lip down.. To do so would affect almost  her whole face ... and would lengthen her nose as well as her upper lip

Get a mirror and try it, if you dont believe me .

[Redblossom]

Carew, I tend to agree with you.  Nothing should be ruled out.  That is why what i am saying should be considered.
Rejected if there are sound reasons to do so.

BUT, I can tell you that with my experienced eye, I know that the little girl is not pulling her upper lip down.. To do so would affect almost  her whole face ... and would lengthen her nose as well as her upper lip

Get a mirror and try it, if you dont believe me .

you never did answer the question of why bushras mum was carrying  madeleine, oh well

[Estuarine]

What is wrong with her being blonde? Fair hair blue eyes is a Nordic trait. So all you genii check your history and see the range the Vikings operated over in terms of raiding, trading, and colonisation. It includes Morocco nuff said.