Author Topic: Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?  (Read 160667 times)

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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?
« Reply #585 on: August 02, 2014, 05:37:44 PM »
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It is a matter of record that none of the Smith family had a good enough look at this man’s face to say he looked like anyone: so categorically he did not “look a bit like Gerry” and your constant repetition of the lie tends only to highlight your agenda based on ignorance of the facts.

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You have fallen into a logical fallacy, if members of the Smith family did not get a good enough look at the man's face it only means they do not know what he looked like and not that he didn't look like Gerry.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

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Re: Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?
« Reply #586 on: August 02, 2014, 05:51:14 PM »
You have fallen into a logical fallacy, if members of the Smith family did not get a good enough look at the man's face it only means they do not know what he looked like and not that he didn't look like Gerry.
If none of them got a good enough look at the man's face then why do so many sceptics insist that Smithman was Gerry?

Offline jassi

Re: Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?
« Reply #587 on: August 02, 2014, 05:54:31 PM »
I think the salient point is that many think that Smithman is abductor man, who, by pure coincidence bears more than a passing resemblance to Gerry.
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ferryman

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Re: Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?
« Reply #588 on: August 02, 2014, 05:57:22 PM »
If Smith man was Gerry, Gerry must have been furious with Kate for raising the alarm before he'd even got down to the beach ...

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?
« Reply #589 on: August 02, 2014, 05:57:33 PM »
I think the salient point is that many think that Smithman is abductor man, who, by pure coincidence bears more than a passing resemblance to Gerry.
How do you know he bears more than a passing resemblance to Gerry if no one who actually saw him got a good look at his face?

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?
« Reply #590 on: August 02, 2014, 05:58:11 PM »
There were children in the party who would not have been expected to corroborate a sighting to which the adults hardly paid attention.

There are three witness statements in the files.

Aoife paid attention and I have no doubt that the yard have talked to all of them including Mrs Smith "Oh is she asleep" Rude Man?

Regarding the 3rd of May, 2007, she went, with all her family, to eat at the Dolphin  restaurant, which is close to Kelly's Bar. When they left the restaurant, around 21H30, they headed toward Kelly's Bar. They stayed there for about 30 minutes.
— Around 22H00, they left Kelly's Bar. The group headed, on foot, for their apartment.
— Questioned, she responds that she knows the time that they left because her father and her brother decided to leave early that night.

— The deponent remembers that upon reaching the top of the stairs, she looked to her left and saw a man (1) with a female child (2) in his arms, walking along the pavement of Rua 25 de Abril. He was walking in her direction at a distance of, give or take, two metres.
— The deponent crossed to the other side of Rua 25 de Abril and began walking up Rua da Escola Primária in the direction of the Estrela da Luz apartment complex.

Personal Description:
— (1) the individual was male, Caucasian, light-skinned, between 20/30 years of age, of normal physical build, around 1,70/1,75 metres in height. At the time she saw his face but now cannot remember it. She thinks that he had a clean-shaven face. She does not remember seeing tattoos, scars or earrings. She did not notice his ears. His hair was thick-ish, light brown in colour, short at the back (normal) and a bit longer on the top.
— His trousers were smooth "rights" along the legs, beige in colour, cotton fabric, thicker than linen, possibly with buttons, and without any other decoration.
— She did not see what he was wearing above his trousers as the child covered him almost completely at the top.
— She did not see what shoes he was wearing.
— The individual's gait was normal, between a fast walk and a run. He did not look tired, moving in a manner usual when one carries a child.
— (2) the child was female because she had straight long hair to the neck. The colour was fair/light brown.
— She is certain that the child was about four years old because her niece (who was in the group) is of the same age and they were the same size.
— She did not see the child's face because she was lying against the individual's left shoulder in a vertical position against the individual. She appeared to be sleeping. Her arms were suspended along her body and were not around the individual's neck. She did not look at the child's hands and cannot state the colour of her skin. She believes she was white.
— There was nothing covering the child, a comforter/blanket or any other piece of clothing but she only saw her back.
— She was wearing light trousers, white or light pink, that may have been pyjamas. She does not remember if they were patterned as it was dark. The material was lightweight/thin and could have been cotton.
— She also had a light top, with long sleeves. She did not see it well because the individual had his arms around the child. She is not sure if the child's top was the same colour as her trousers, saying only that it was very light. The fabric was the same as the trousers.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline jassi

Re: Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?
« Reply #591 on: August 02, 2014, 05:59:55 PM »
How do you know he bears more than a passing resemblance to Gerry if no one who actually saw him got a good look at his face?

I should have included 'according to the efit shown by SY.  Happy now?
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

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OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?
« Reply #592 on: August 02, 2014, 06:00:13 PM »
If Smith man was Gerry, Gerry must have been furious with Kate for raising the alarm before he'd even got down to the beach ...
It's what you'd do isn't it?  Moments after you husband scurries off with the corpse of your dead child in his arms, uncovered and in full view of any passerby, you start screaming your head off and drawing attention to the fact that your child is missing.  Perfectly understandable behaviour!

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?
« Reply #593 on: August 02, 2014, 06:01:15 PM »
I should have included 'according to the efit produced by SY.  Happy now?
I wasn't aware that SY had produced an efit of Smithman.

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?
« Reply #594 on: August 02, 2014, 06:02:40 PM »
I wasn't aware that SY had produced an efit of Smithman.

They produced it on crimewatch.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?
« Reply #595 on: August 02, 2014, 06:02:56 PM »
If Smith man was Gerry, Gerry must have been furious with Kate for raising the alarm before he'd even got down to the beach ...

Gerry said it was 10:03 when he told Kate to go and check and she was gone 10 minutes before raising the alarm. Fascinating  @)(++(*
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline jassi

Re: Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?
« Reply #596 on: August 02, 2014, 06:03:15 PM »
I wasn't aware that SY had produced an efit of Smithman.

Produced as in presented in Crimewatch. Try not to be so pedantic - it becomes tiresome.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?
« Reply #597 on: August 02, 2014, 06:22:45 PM »
Produced as in presented in Crimewatch. Try not to be so pedantic - it becomes tiresome.
Erm..ok sorry - I wasn't being pedantic though, I thought you meant that they had been responsible for the putting together the photofit, my mistake.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?
« Reply #598 on: August 02, 2014, 06:45:15 PM »
Smithman knew his destination that's for certain. So if it's not a nearby bin or nearby wasteland then maybe she was kept somewhere safe where she could be later retrieved.
« Last Edit: August 03, 2014, 04:18:04 AM by John »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline jassi

Re: Was Mr Smiths claim just pie in the sky after all?
« Reply #599 on: August 02, 2014, 06:48:20 PM »
Smithman knew his destination that's for certain. So if it's not a nearby bin or nearby wasteland then maybe she was kept somewhere safe where she could be later retrieved.

Possibly. What is clear is that it was imperative that she was not found in or near to 5A - for, as yet, unknown reason.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future