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ferryman

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Re: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.
« Reply #285 on: March 15, 2014, 07:57:21 PM »
Here is another who obviously bled

Cartas Rogatorias Vol V

Pages 44 - 46

Witness statement

FAWKES; Claire Louise

Occupation: Teacher

Date: 22 nd April 2008
Signature _________________________________________

I am the person referred to at the address above where I live with my husband S**** and daughter R*** aged 3 ½.

At Easter my family had two weeks holiday. I do not remember the exact date we travelled but I know it was a Saturday after Easter. We travelled to the OC, P da L in the Algarve in Portugal.

We had never stayed at a MW resort before but the facilities in relation to child care and sporting activities were attractive. We travelled from Gatwick to Faro and were transferred to the resort by MW reps. The holidays were booked as a complete package through MW.

Upon arrival we were allocated an apartment identified as G5 A or something similar. It was the corner apartment on the ground floor of a block of two or three storeys. Our apartment had two bedrooms and a patio with a door that opened onto the terrace opposite the swimming pool, restaurant and OC children’s playing area. The other entrance led onto the parking area.

During the holidays we would occasionally place R*** in the crèche when we were doing other activities. On the Wednesday or Thursday of the second week of our holiday I received a phone call from a MW employee saying that R*** had fallen in the crèche and had cut her chin. When I arrived at the club she had almost stopped bleeding, but even so and through precaution we took her to a doctor in P da L, who put in some stitches. I do not remember if she bled again after this or whether she did in the apartment, but it is a possibility. However nobody else injured themselves or died during the holiday.

I was not robbed during the holiday and none of our possessions disappeared. I never detected the presence of anyone strange near the apartment. R*** slept in the bedroom whose window looked over the parking area. It had a window which I think we never opened and a metal shutter that covered the entire window on the outside, but which was controlled from the inside of the bedroom either electronically or by a belt that was pulled. It was nearly always closed, but on occasions we would open it to have more light. As far as I can remember the shutter worked perfectly well. We never had a bad experience with the windows or doors.

In order to enter and leave the apartment we would always use the front door that led onto the parking area given that the patio door could only be locked from the inside.

When you entered into the living room from the patio, there was a coffee table opposite with a sofa parallel to the kitchen. I do not remember whether the sofa was pushed against the wall. I think there was sufficient space to pass behind the sofa and the dining table.

I made a sketch which I showed as proof to CLF and which I delivered to DC Wright. We did not move any of the furniture in the apartment.

As I have already said we travelled to Portugal with our daughter R*** who slept in the back bedroom, opposite the pool area. I used to refer to her bedroom as the lilac room because the bedclothes and curtains were lilac.

We would generally walk to the MW restaurant at a distance of 5 or 10 minutes to have breakfast. We would normally have lunch in the apartment.

During the first week of the holidays we would return to the same restaurant for dinner. I can’t remember what the restaurant was called. During the second week we would sometimes dine at the Tapas. My husband and I would have dinner out each night. While we were out we would hand Ruth over to the care of MW babysitters. The normal procedure was to dress her in pyjamas at about 19.00 and at 19.30 take her to the place near to the reception. Ruth would stay in the care of MW staff until they (children) were ready to sleep. If they were tired, there were beds available for the children to sleep in. We would collect R*** on out return to the apartment at about 21.30 – 22.00. This service was included in the holiday package and was available until 23.00.

We never left R*** on her own. When she was not with us she was in the organised care of someone who looked after the children.

On the Friday before our return home, my husband had gone to the beach leaving R*** and I in the apartment. The keys were also in the apartment but I couldn’t find them, so I felt unable to take R*** to the crèche.

I was worried and went to the terrace to see if I could spot S****. It was at this moment that I saw three road sweepers in the immediate area. They all appeared to be staring in my direction and I felt they were observing me. I had wondered whether to leave the apartment open whilst I took R*** to the crèche but from the moment that I felt observed, this idea lost its appeal. They were all men and wearing overalls that reminded me of surgical outfits. I do not remember anymore about them.

I handed a CD to DC 4064 HOLLIDAY on 15h45 of 22nd April 2008 containing some pictures of our holidays at the MW resort. It was referenced as CLF2.

Interesting!

I'd never read that statement before ...

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=easter+2007&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=fflb&gfe_rd=cr&ei=368kU_-bO-6Yigb6toDABQ

ETA: In fairness, I suppose that could have been Easter 2008 ...
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Offline Anna

Re: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.
« Reply #286 on: March 15, 2014, 08:31:51 PM »
These were the Former holidaymakers in 5A This is the husband.
The date is for the interview in Leics 


Cartas Rogatorias Vol V

Pages 47 – 48

Leicestershire Police Force

Witness Statement

Simon Andrew Fawkes

Occupation: Computer technician

Date: 22nd April 2008
Signature ___________________________________________


I am married to Claire FAWKES and we have a daughter called R*** aged 3 ½. Last year I planned and reserved a holiday with MW in Portugal. I knew that they have good services and meet all the needs that we wanted for our family holiday. I made a two week booking, half board in the P da L resort in the Algarve.

We travelled from Gatwick on Saturday 31st March 2007 directly to Faro and were transported by minibus to the resort. We returned home on Saturday 14th April 2007.

The holiday was quite pleasant in spite of the fact that R*** suffered a cut to the chin at the crèche, the holidays passed peacefully.

Apart from R**** having fallen whilst under the care of MW nothing was stolen or missing from the apartment, nobody died in the apartment during our stay.
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While we stayed in the apartment we were never victims of robbery or loss of our personal possessions, neither did we lose any object whilst we were in Portugal.

In my opinion the resort is a safe place and I never felt the presence of anyone strange or notice that anyone was watching our apartment.

With regard to the doors and windows I considered them to be safe, although I had some problem in closing the shutters in the bedroom where Claire and I slept – this was the bedroom facing the patio and the pool area. I remember that the shutter in R**** bedroom worked well and we would close it during the day to make sure she slept better.

At no time during our stay did I feel that the windows and doors had been forced or that there could have been any trespass on the property.

We would normally use the wooden door that led to the parking area in order to access the apartment, occasionally we would use the patio door – if Claire or I remained in the apartment. If we all left we would lock the patio door and use the wooden door.

As far as I can remember, there were two sofas in the living room area. One smaller sofa which was on the right when you entered by the patio door – the sofa was under the window, slightly at a distance from the wall – in order to have access to the curtains I think. The large sofa was directly opposite us when we entered by the patio door. I made a small sketch of the living room which was delivered as proof ref SAJF(1) to DC 4064 HOLLIDAY at 18h30 22 April 2008.

R*** was on holiday with us and during our stay she slept in the bedroom with two beds facing the parking area. I remember that there was a window which was totally covered by a rolling shutter.

We would have breakfast and dinner in the local restaurant, although sometimes we dined at the Tapas. We would have lunch in the apartment – generally at the dining table.

R*** was with us or at the crèche – sometimes in the mornings, at times during the afternoon.

She would also go to the night crèche so that she could go to sleep at a reasonable time. We would go out for dinner and upon our return to the apartment we would pick her up. Normally she was never at the crèche for more than a few hours.

We were satisfied with the care that R*** received in the crèche and she seemed to like being there.

I remember that the apartment number was 5 A.

This statement was made by me and is in accordance with my knowledge.
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline Anna

Re: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.
« Reply #287 on: March 15, 2014, 10:05:54 PM »
There was 4 others between McCanns moving out of 5A and the dogs coming in. They were never interviewed by the looks of it. Why? when all the others previous to the Mc Canns were. Strange since we know nothing of their stay.
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The DCCB got wind of the possible arrival of certain Englishmen from an information gathering organisation (CRG) supposedly with an assignment to clean places and things associated with the family. Looking into this possibility, the following data was obtained:
 - The 'flower' villa was occupied by the family from 2 July through 9 September 2007; the contract was effective from 1 July and the key was returned to the letting agent on 10 September by the wife of an Anglican 'pastor' who practised in Luz.
 - That lady later confirmed the delivery of the key and that while in her possession no-one had asked for it nor had she seen anything abnormal at the villa.
 - A female journalist from ITV (UK) wished to rent the villa to make some films; her request was declined, the Dutch property owner, present in the property on 11 September, had already permitted Dutch friends of his to live there, and had authorised new shrubs to be planted in the garden.
 - It would seem that the new work was not done as the Portuguese gardener and the owner had some difficulty in communication, due to the language barrier.
 - On 10 September the house cleaner performed her usual chores and placed two or three boxes of 'dossiers' in the garage, which boxes were later collected by the same lady who had returned the key. When the family were in residence the cleaner was always in the company of a friend or family member.
 - The Scenic was rented on 27 May with an additional driver, Cameron, and, at the end of August, Wright was added to the contract. It was returned to the rental offices on 23 September by an unnamed person described as six-foot, short grey hair, 60-65 years, whose signature on the delivery note is illegible.
 - The odometer on return was 14,443 km; it had been 3,114 at the start, so the vehicle had travelled 11,229km. [NOTE: Arithmetically, that should read 11,329km]
 - At the Ocean Club, apartment 5A had been booked for the nights of 28 April through 4 May (vacating on 5th); the family stayed in apartment 4G from 4 May through 2 July (vacating on 3rd)
 - Apartment 5A was subsequently let between 12 and 19 June (to friends of the owner); 28 June to 12 July (to three people with Irish names); 12 to 19 July (to an English couple) and 19 to 26 July (to a family with Southern Asian names).
- On 20 September, two men and a women, claiming to be from "Sky News", attempted to force open the external blinds of the front bedroom of apartment 5A and were asked to leave the area; on 25 September a three Spanish persons - again two men and a woman - were found with cameras on the patio balcony of apartment 5B. Having no identification, but being in possession of film equipment, they were believed to be journalists.
 - Cleaning staff in Ocean Club were persistently accosted by journalists, often with offers of money, to provide access to apartment 5A. They were always refused but the personal particulars of the pests were not noted.
 - With respect to possible sightings of the father at two buildings near/next to the Luz cemetery, various apartments were available in those buildings; it could not be ascertained which, if any, apartment may have been of interest.
 - With respect to the property Vila D'Arte, at which the father had been reportedly seen at some time during July, and to which the family (adults and two children) had travelled in a Citroen C3 or Renault Clio, it had been the permanent residence of persons originating from Holland and/or UK for some 4 to 5 years; the (then-)present occupants hired it through an Internet site from 24 to 29 September.
 - The local informal agent for that property had always understood that only friends or family of the owners were granted access to it.
 - Back at 5A of the Ocean Club, on 26 September someone forced up the external blinds of the front bedroom to an oblique angle. There appeared to be no attempt to force open the window. The security guard stated between 21:00 and 21:05 he had done the 'rounds' of the block, then walked down to the supermarket and back again whereupon he found the damage which he called in immediately.
 - He and a colleague from the same security detail had conversed shortly before 21:00 noting that neither had seen any strangers other than two Canadian television journalists, a man and a woman, who had been seen at a nearby bar.
 - Given the limited damage and that there had been many people at that location [presumably during the previous days and all authorised] there was no attempt to retrieve fingerprints, but inquiries were made of TV crews and journalists in and around Luz and Lagos, without result.
 Processos Vol XI Pages 2945 - 2952

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DCCB_LETTER.htm
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“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline sadie

Re: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.
« Reply #288 on: March 15, 2014, 10:33:50 PM »
Got it

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id315.html

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First the villa they stayed in afterwards

1. With help from the Winkworth Estate Agency in Lagos, it was established that the residence occupied by the McCann couple in Rua da Flores, lot 27 – Vivenda Vista do Mar, P da L was effectively occupied by them on 02-07-2007, whilst the contract shows that the hire period began on 1st July, according to the copy of the contract we were given.

- The McCanns' departure took place on 09-09-2007 and the keys to the house were returned the following day (10-09-2007) to the Winkworth office in Lagos by an English woman named Susan who was the wife of the Anglican vicar who celebrated mass in the P da L church.

- With the help of P**** C***** from the Winkworth agancy it was established that after the McCanns left the villa the agency was contacted by a female individual called M***** C++++ from ITV, who claimed she wanted to rent the villa for a few days with the aim of making some films, her request was denied.

- In contact with the owner of the villa, Mr A***** M***** of Dutch nationality he said that at the moment the villa was being occupied by some friends of his, of Dutch nationality, surname S************, the husband named R********, the wife J*****, R being the director of the Museo de Arte Antiga.

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Now the people who stayed in 5A after the abduction with dates

3. In relation to the McCanns' stay at the OC, the following was checked: Date of occupation of apartment 5 A 28-04-2007 and the departure date was registered on 05-05-2007, being certain that from 04 – 05 they did not stay in the apartment. They entered apartment 4G on 04-05-2007 and left on 03-07-2007.

- After the disappearance apartment 5 A was occupied by the following individuals: 12-06-2007 – 19-06-2007 by R and F. F****** (friends of the owners), from 28-06-2007 – 12-07-2007 by SR, W & CF, 12-07-2007 to 19-07-2007 by BSP and JFP, 19-07-2007 – 26-07-07 by MMS family.

Hope this helps Ferryman

ETA   Seems that Anna beat me to it. 8((()*/

Offline John

Re: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.
« Reply #289 on: March 17, 2014, 10:32:50 PM »
Last week we were discussing the grandfather who lived in apartment 5b who died in hospital and it was suggested that cadaver scent could have been brought back to apartment 5a in garments or personal possessions and contaminated cupboards.  I now learn that Eddie also alerted to ash which you bring back from a crematorium.  Could that have been the source of the alerts in 5a?
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline jassi

Re: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.
« Reply #290 on: March 22, 2014, 01:22:05 PM »
Jassi

Do you know what Promotor Veritatis means?

Yes, but attempting to smear and discredit a witness doesn't bring you any nearer the truth
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.
« Reply #291 on: March 22, 2014, 01:25:29 PM »
Yes, but attempting to smear and discredit a witness doesn't bring you any nearer the truth

Thers no smearing or discrediting...just trying to get the truth out there and dispel lies and myths

Offline jassi

Re: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.
« Reply #292 on: March 22, 2014, 01:28:21 PM »
Thers no smearing or discrediting...just trying to get the truth out there and dispel lies and myths

It was a witness statement, not a myth and the attempt was to discredit  the witness, not to expose the truth.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Silkywhiskers

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Re: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.
« Reply #293 on: March 23, 2014, 12:12:13 AM »

Are you suggesting that the GNR, the PJ, Leics Police AND SY are all wrong and incompetent?

Seriously?

I don't find it a coincidence that Andy has gone from the Ocean Club, all over Portugal, half of Europe, and ended back up at the Ocean Club, suspect wise.

And let's not forget the involvement of the CPS which alone implies the perps are British.
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Offline sadie

Re: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.
« Reply #294 on: March 23, 2014, 02:01:02 AM »
Are you suggesting that the GNR, the PJ, Leics Police AND SY are all wrong and incompetent?

Seriously?

I don't find it a coincidence that Andy has gone from the Ocean Club, all over Portugal, half of Europe, and ended back up at the Ocean Club, suspect wise.

And let's not forget the involvement of the CPS which alone implies the perps are British.
I think you might be right about the last sentence

However, if SY are to get to the bottom of this mystery, I am completely behind them investigating everything in depth.  Everything

Silkywhiskers

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Re: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.
« Reply #295 on: March 23, 2014, 03:52:40 AM »
I think you might be right about the last sentence

However, if SY are to get to the bottom of this mystery, I am completely behind them investigating everything in depth.  Everything

Good.

Stop denigrating Amaral and the PJ then. 

IF Op Grange is not just another whitewash, you are in for some rocky times.

A genuine investigation will end up at the same place the PJ did - they already have.

Amaral knew Tannerman was bs and Smithman was the One.

Offline Carana

Re: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.
« Reply #296 on: March 23, 2014, 11:33:56 AM »
I haven't followed the whole of this thread... but concerning the title:


Re: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.

Some of the occupants who'd occupied the apartment prior to the disappearance were interviewed, although not all, and I'm not aware that any of the post-disappearance ones were officially interviewed as part of the PJ process.

Offline Anna

Re: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.
« Reply #297 on: March 29, 2014, 09:39:08 PM »
I haven't followed the whole of this thread... but concerning the title:


Re: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.

Some of the occupants who'd occupied the apartment prior to the disappearance were interviewed, although not all, and I'm not aware that any of the post-disappearance ones were officially interviewed as part of the PJ process.

Nothing in the files that I can see. It may be because they are friends and relatives of the owner, but if they were interviewed, the files were withheld.
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline gilet

Re: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.
« Reply #298 on: March 30, 2014, 02:56:32 AM »
I haven't followed the whole of this thread... but concerning the title:


Re: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.

Some of the occupants who'd occupied the apartment prior to the disappearance were interviewed, although not all, and I'm not aware that any of the post-disappearance ones were officially interviewed as part of the PJ process.

Were the people who occupied the apartments after the McCanns and before the arrival of the dogs not interviewed by the PJ, then that is an appalling error on their part in my opinion.

It is not as though the PJ could not easily get hold of their details or contact them during the Rogatory Process.


icabodcrane

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Re: The other occupants of Apt 5a before and after the McCanns visit.
« Reply #299 on: March 30, 2014, 03:02:28 AM »
Were the people who occupied the apartments after the McCanns and before the arrival of the dogs not interviewed by the PJ, then that is an appalling error on their part in my opinion.

It is not as though the PJ could not easily get hold of their details or contact them during the Rogatory Process.

Why are you assuming they were  not  contacted/interviewed   ? 
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