The dogs.....

[Benice]

Nevertheless it still took 20 minutes before the dog first alerted in 5A.    If he had been allowed to spend that same amount of time in the other apartments instead of approx 3-5 mins max - then who's to say he would not have alerted in one or more of them.    Remembering Martin Grime's claim that his dogs could locate the minutest scent of blood - even from decades ago - I find it hard to believe that no-one had ever deposited a single drop of blood anywhere in any of those other apartments for years on end.

IMO it is quite apparent that it was Grime who totally controlled how long a dog would spend in any one place - not the dogs.

If searching 5A was Eddie's first job (after being confined in the car) then that may have contributed to his initial excitement/enthusiasm to 'get going' once released from it.    Just a thought.

[slartibartfast]

The truth is that the alerts add nothing

It seems strange that those who have issues with the dogs seem to equate  'need corroborating forensics" with "the dogs are always wrong".

[Carew]

Nevertheless it still took 20 minutes before the dog first alerted in 5A.    If he had been allowed to spend that same amount of time in the other apartments instead of approx 3-5 mins max - then who's to say he would not have alerted in one or more of them.    Remembering Martin Grime's claim that his dogs could locate the minutest scent of blood - even from decades ago - I find it hard to believe that no-one had ever deposited a single drop of blood anywhere in any of those other apartments for years on end.

IMO it is quite apparent that it was Grime who totally controlled how long a dog would spend in any one place - not the dogs.

If searching 5A was Eddie's first job (after being confined in the car) then that may have contributed to his initial excitement/enthusiasm to 'get going' once released from it.    Just a thought.

Just another thought.............

Do you have any cites / reports / opinions from experts in deployment of such dogs who have made similar interpretations or observations as yours about Mr Grime`s work on this case ?

I wonder if there have been any official enquiries into what seem to be issues and shortcomings apparently so obvious to lay-people, like you.........and all performed by Mr Grime in public.

[ferryman]

The alerts add to the intelligence gathered.

 They exist.........as do the non-alerts.
 
They are part of the investigation and may be of value in connection with other information gathered.

Non-alerts: Eddie playing with cuddle-cat, picking it up, tossing it in the air. 

Alerts: Eddie barking all around the cupboard the same toy (he had previously played with, but not alerted to) had been hidden in.

So, should Eddie have alerted to the toy?

Or shouldn't he?

[Mr Gray]

It seems strange that those who have issues with the dogs seem to equate  'need corroborating forensics" with "the dogs are always wrong".

please get your brain into gear...where have I ever said the dogs are always wrong...please try and stick to the truth

[Mr Gray]

What intelligence do they add if SY say maddie may still be alive

bump

[slartibartfast]

please get your brain into gear...where have I ever said the dogs are always wrong...please try and stick to the truth

You said the alerts add nothing, hence a waste of time, hence wrong.

[Anna]

5A (Gerry/Kate McCann):
 
From 20h00 to 21h20, the dogs go through.
 
20h20: The cadaver dog, "marks," the couple's wardrobe area in the bedroom.
 
20h22: The cadaver dog, "marks" an area behind the sofa in the sitting room near the window overlooking the road.
 
From 20h47 to 21h20, the blood detecting dog goes through.
 
21h10 The dog, "marks" an area of floor behind the sofa in the sitting room, near the window overlooking the road.



5B (Matthew/Rachael Oldfield):
 
21h24 to 21h27: The cadaver dog did not alert on anything.

5D (Russell O'Brien/Jane Tanner):
 
21h29 to 21h34: The cadaver dog did not alert on anything.

5H (David/Fiona Payne & Dianne Webster):
 
21h35 to 21h38: The cadaver dog did not alert on anything.

4G (McCanns' second Ocean Club apartment):
 
21h42 to 21h45: The cadaver dog did not alert on anything.

Garden belonging to apartment 5A (with access via the balcony and the steps):

21h49 to 22h00: The cadaver dog "marks" an area of the garden immediately below the window.



We might as well have those bits for good luck

Thank you, It reminded me of the flowerbed
Can you tell me where the other gardens were inspected by Eddie? also the fact that the dog took 20 minutes for first alert in 5A whilst the other apartments(which obviously nobody had ever bled in) took an average of approx 3mins to search

[ferryman]

please get your brain into gear...where have I ever said the dogs are always wrong...please try and stick to the truth

I am very happy to go on record as saying that dogs can be wrong.

Eddie was wrong, either to fail to alert to cuddle-cat when he could play with the toy; or to alert to it after it had been hidden in a cupboard.

Those inclined to try can't have it both ways ...

And why did Grime imply that the toy was sent for forensic analysis when it never was?

[jassi]

It seems strange that those who have issues with the dogs seem to equate  'need corroborating forensics" with "the dogs are always wrong".

I find it quite telling that mention of  the dogs can generate such passion amongst some.

[ferryman]

I find it quite telling that mention of  the dogs can generate such passion amongst some.

Mention of the McCanns generates passion ...

[slartibartfast]

Mention of the McCanns generates passion ...

Strange isn't it?

[Mr Gray]

You said the alerts add nothing, hence a waste of time, hence wrong.

i said the alerts add nothing...YOU said a waste of time...please stick to the truth

[Wonderfulspam]

I find it quite telling that mention of  the dogs can generate such passion amongst some.

I think they are alright, but I'm more of a Cat lover myself.

[Mr Gray]

I find it quite telling that mention of  the dogs can generate such passion amongst some.

it isn't the mention of the dogs...its posters telling lies about me