The dogs.....

[sadie]

That indeed is a major flaw in this particular case. Eddie is not supposed to play with objects as an alert but his first reaction to the toy was to push/throw it across the room. Though he quite obviously sniffed directly at the cupboard door he did not then alert. Only after looking all round the kitchen and after looking at the work surface in particular did he alert. Then he alerted at the other end of the work surface well away from the cupboard where the toy had been hidden.

Looking at the video I can't see any direct connection between the alerts in the kitchen and the toy hidden in the cupboard.

There is no connection.  Martin was mistaken, imo, but then he did not have the video showing Eddie sniffing along the base of the cupboard as we have ... and presumably he forgot.

[sadie]

Now seems like these two videos are pretty conclusive that Martin made a mistake about Eddie alerting to Ccat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qG21K6XJRg

CCat is lying at the bottom of the cupboard.  See @ 3.41 and at @ 3.52 Eddie sniffs along the bottom of the cupboard and does not re-act.
Yet @ 4.05, he sniffs along the counter and comes to what I believe is a pile of folders with a loose sheet on top.  He immediately alerts here.
 
Martin Grime reaches in the cupboard and pulls Ccat out.  He thinks it must be Ccat that caused the alert, yet Eddie had sniffed close twice before and NOT alerted.  Martin did not have the benefit of studying the video, as we have and I can understand his thinking it was Ccat , BUT we can clearly see that it was NOT
 
[To see the pile of folders with additional sheet of paper on top see @4.51.  I suggest you enlarge the image x 4.  Click on the view symbol and then in the box to the right on 400]
 
 
 
Now before you doubting Thomases start saying, but how could Eddie have smelled the cadavar odour, cos the cupboard door was closed.
 
Well:
1)  It wasn't properly closed
2)  How come he could smell cadavar odour thru a closed car door?  Car doors make a fantastic seal to keep out draughts and rain etc..  Yet it seems Eddie could smell cadavar odour thru that amazingly tight car door seal. yet could not thru the bottom of the cupboard door, which wasn't even properly closed.
 
Come on guys, you have to concede that no way could he have failed to smell cadavar odour thru the gap in the cupboard doors, if his sense of smell was keen enough for him to smell scent thru a closed car door.
 
 
The scent was on the papers, the folders or possibly the counter at that particular point NOT on Ccat.
 
 
 
@ 3.02  Eddie sniffs the odour thru a closed car door seal
 
http://youtu.be/FTF4JTLeOWA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTF4JTLeOWA&feature=youtu.be
 

[John]

First thing I must clear up is your suggestion that the video has been altered; it wasn't.   When you view the video and leave the page before it ends and then return the video will play from the point you last viewed it.  Always best to refresh the page.

Now to your point about the toy.  My own view having watched the videos is that cuddle cat was a red herring. We don't know what went on off-camera but I have my own views on that which I can't post here for obvious reasons. All we have is the video which clearly shows Eddie not alerting to Cuddle Cat but pulling it out of the toy box and depositing it in the middle of the floor.  He showed no interest in it thereafter.

Someone then deposited Cuddle Cat in the sideboard cupboard.  Eddie is brought out of the bedroom and is encouraged to sniff around the sideboard eventually alerting to something.  The cupboard is opened and Cuddle Cat brought out on cue.

The whole thing is meaningless imo.

[ferryman]

First thing I must clear up is your suggestion that the video has been altered; it wasn't.   When you view the video and leave the page before it ends and then return the video will play from the point you last viewed it.  Always best to refresh the page.

Now to your point about the toy.  My own view having watched the videos is that cuddle cat was a red herring. We don't know what went on off-camera but I have my own views on that which I can't post here for obvious reasons. All we have is the video which clearly shows Eddie not alerting to Cuddle Cat but pulling it out of the toy box and depositing it in the middle of the floor.  He showed no interest in it thereafter.

Someone then deposited Cuddle Cat in the sideboard cupboard.  Eddie is brought out of the bedroom and is encouraged to sniff around the sideboard eventually alerting to something.  The cupboard is opened and Cuddle Cat brought out on cue.

The whole thing is meaningless imo.

Eddie played with the toy, sniffed it, bit it, picked up, tossed it in the air.  But he didn't bark.

Then the toy was hidden and he barked all around the cupboard where the toy was hidden.

[Estuarine]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJ8sYZTTsX8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in7yLZJ7A6Y

[Serendipity]

Oops, wrong again Sadie.  You won;t be feeling so smug when you read this:

6.1. Cadaver dog:
* 2 pieces of clothing of Kate McCann
* One piece of Madeleine McCann
* Madeleine's soft toy
* The odour was detected when the toy was still in the interior of the actual residence of the McCann
* It was confirmed in out of the house conditions

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAVARES_ALMEIDA.htm

and

CANINE SEARCH OF MR McCANN'S VILLA, PRESENT OCCUPANCY.

The villa interior, garden, and all property within were searched by the EVRD.
The only alert indication given was when the dog located a pink cuddly toy in
the villas lounge. The CSI dog did not alert to the toy when screened
separately.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

Laters, am off to enjoy the rest of my Sunday evening :)

[pegasus]

...
* Madeleine's soft toy
* The odour was detected when the toy was still in the interior of the actual residence of the McCann
* It was confirmed in out of the house conditions
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAVARES_ALMEIDA.htm
...

So Almeida is stating that Eddie alerted to the toy after it was removed from the villa.
It seems reasonable to assume this was at the gym.
Do you know whether the toy was on the gym floor when Eddie alerted to it?
Do you think it was packed in the box labeled "sala da estar"?
Do you know why it was screened seperatly from the clothes in that "sala da estar" box?

[icabodcrane]

The cadaver dog  may  have barked because he picked up the scent of Madeleine McCann's dead body 

...  that  IS a possibility,  isn't it  ? 

I mean,  there is nothing to say he did not,  is there  ?   

[pathfinder73]

Yes any normal person would think so especially in so many places connected to the McCann's. Maybe if only one alert but not alerts inside outside on clothes etc.

[Wonderfulspam]

Madeleine McCann's death 'covered up by parents who faked kidnap', court hears

(snip)

Mr de Almeida told the court: “We have always spoken of a tragic accidental death – not homicide.
The McCanns did not kill her but they concealed the body,”
 
Mr de Almeida, who worked under Amaral and was also taken off the case in September 2007, said the decision to designate the McCanns 'arguidos' was made by police after sniffer dogs brought to Portugal from England had carried out their searches.
 
Giving evidence, Mr de Almeida said that the dogs had identified blood and the scent of a human corpse inside the childrens’ bedroom and the dining room of the McCanns’ holiday flat.
 
The animals also reacted to traces on a piece of cloth in a villa rented by the McCanns after they left the apartment and in the boot of a rental car hired by the family several weeks after Madeleine disappeared.
 
Mr de Almeida also complained that Portuguese police efforts to investigate the McCanns had been frustrated by their British counterparts. “We were told that the UK would not accept any investigation of the McCanns – there was a lack of cooperation,” he said.
 
But later he said that the theory that the parents had covered up Madeleine’s death as outlined in Amaral’s book was one reached by British police on the ground in Portugal too.
 
“This wasn’t something invented by Amaral,” he insisted. “It was a conclusion reached by the team of Portuguese investigators as well as British police.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/portugal/6974917/Madeleine-McCanns-death-covered-up-by-parents-who-faked-kidnap-court-hears.html

[Wonderfulspam]

Yes any normal person would think so especially in some many places connected to the McCann's. Maybe if only one alert but not alerts inside outside on clothes etc.

I think so, even though quite obviously I am anything but normal.

[pathfinder73]

  You've got to be one minded and biased not to see it then 

[Wonderfulspam]

'We all believe she is dead,' he declared defiantly. 'It was our conclusion as police professionals, both Portuguese and British police. The McCanns didn't kill her but they concealed the body.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1242716/Madeleine-McCann-dead-abduction-faked-say-Portuguese-police.html

[sadie]

Oops, wrong again Sadie.  You won;t be feeling so smug when you read this:

6.1. Cadaver dog:
* 2 pieces of clothing of Kate McCann
* One piece of Madeleine McCann
* Madeleine's soft toy
* The odour was detected when the toy was still in the interior of the actual residence of the McCann
* It was confirmed in out of the house conditions

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAVARES_ALMEIDA.htm

and

CANINE SEARCH OF MR McCANN'S VILLA, PRESENT OCCUPANCY.

The villa interior, garden, and all property within were searched by the EVRD.
The only alert indication given was when the dog located a pink cuddly toy in
the villas lounge. The CSI dog did not alert to the toy when screened
separately.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

Laters, am off to enjoy the rest of my Sunday evening :)

Serendipity.  There is nothing wrong with what I said.

sadie

Now seems like these two videos are pretty conclusive that Martin made a mistake about Eddie alerting to Ccat

I always try and research very thoroiughly one thing at a time.  I have researched this one alert and pretty convincingly proven , I think, that Martin was mistaken.

Eddie did NOT alert to cuddle cat as you will see, he alerted to something on the top of the counter, where the pile of papers and folders lie.

In this instant I think Martin was incorrect, but he did not have the advantage as we have of seeing the video and seeing that Eddie had already sniffed twice where he should have alerted.

If I have time I will look at what you are saying, but I warn you, I delve deeply if I have time to do so, and it will not be likely to be tomorrow,  My life is very busy atm.


PS I wonder where the pile of folders and the loose piece of paper came from?

[pegasus]

@Serendipity. With the greatest respect for your knowledge of dogs, I humbly suggest re-watching the compete video of Eddie in the living area of the villa.
The non-alert of Eddie to the toy when he first finds it has been dismissed as him playing with the "reward". I find this explanation implausible. And no explanation has been offered by you for why Eddie then does not alert when he sniffs at the open sideboard door where the toy is concealed. Also no explanation has been offered by you for the assumed (incorrectly assumed IMO) non-alert by Eddie in the living area to the checked trousers, white sleeveless top, and aeroplane child t-shirt, all of which were certainly in the living area when Eddie searched it.
I suggest that Eddie alerted as Sadie says to item(s) on top of the sideboard (watch the video - that is where he sniffs just before his first alert) however my opinion is definitely that those items are not paperwork, but are exactly the same clothes, on top of the sideboard, which he later alerted to in the gym.