The dogs.....

[slartibartfast]

and you have absolutely no way of knowing that

So in the world of Davel, dogs that are trained to alert to cadaver odour are more likely to alert to something else...

[Mr Gray]

So in the world of Davel, dogs that are trained to alert to cadaver odour are more likely to alert to something else...

what about blood for a start

[slartibartfast]

what about blood for a start

You seem a little hard of understanding.

The nice policeman takes two doggies, one can smell blood and the other cadaver scent and blood. When the doggie who smells cadaver scent alerts and the one who smells blood doesn't, then it indicates cadaver scent.

[Mr Gray]

You seem a little hard of understanding.

The nice policeman takes two doggies, one can smell blood and the other cadaver scent and blood. When the doggie who smells cadaver scent alerts and the one who smells blood doesn't, then it indicates cadaver scent.

what about the dog who alerts to cadaver ...doesn't alert to cuddlecat ...then does ...

what about the handler who does not confirm any alert...the person who is very hard of understanding is you.

[ferryman]

Why did Eddie alert, ever, in places Madeleine is known definitely never to have been?

[Brietta]

Why did Eddie alert, ever, in places Madeleine is known definitely never to have been?

 ... and why the continuation of the assertion that Eddie alerted in the boot of the hire car which he never even inspected; how shoddy is a police report which cannot differentiate between the alerts of a CSI and a VRD.

Removing proven anomalies such as that and ~
 
 - the car door (dried blood from a living person)
 - behind the sofa in 5a (dried blood from living people)
 - the garden ... if anyone can work out what happened there
 - the clothing on the gymnasium floor which had not been alerted to in situ in the villa or where it had been stored in the villa ... impossible given the potency of scent transference
 - and the very mobile cuddle cat popping out of cupboards the dog just had no interest in (including no interest in CC apart from wanting to play with him)

we are left with Eddie barking in a corner to justify years of hounding of the Drs McCann; a very flimsy foundation indeed on which to base a belief system.

[Benice]

... and why the continuation of the assertion that Eddie alerted in the boot of the hire car which he never even inspected; how shoddy is a police report which cannot differentiate between the alerts of a CSI and a VRD.

Removing proven anomalies such as that and ~
 
 - the car door (dried blood from a living person)
 - behind the sofa in 5a (dried blood from living people)
 - the garden ... if anyone can work out what happened there
 - the clothing on the gymnasium floor which had not been alerted to in situ in the villa or where it had been stored in the villa ... impossible given the potency of scent transference
 - and the very mobile cuddle cat popping out of cupboards the dog just had no interest in (including no interest in CC apart from wanting to play with him)

we are left with Eddie barking in a corner to justify years of hounding of the Drs McCann; a very flimsy foundation indeed on which to base a belief system.

And according to Grime even the alert in the corner may be to scent which could have drifted into the corner of the room  from elsewhere and so may be unconnected to the wardrobe. 

But even this information from the handler himself has not stopped the claim that Eddie specifically alerted to something -not just near to the wardrobe, but actually inside it - leading to all kinds of associated claims being made as if they were 'troo' facts. 

Such is the power of wishful thinking IMO.

[sadie]

... and why the continuation of the assertion that Eddie alerted in the boot of the hire car which he never even inspected; how shoddy is a police report which cannot differentiate between the alerts of a CSI and a VRD.
Removing proven anomalies such as that and ~
 
 - the car door (dried blood from a living person)
 - behind the sofa in 5a (dried blood from living people)
 - the garden ... if anyone can work out what happened there
 - the clothing on the gymnasium floor which had not been alerted to in situ in the villa or where it had been stored in the villa ... impossible given the potency of scent transference
 - and the very mobile cuddle cat popping out of cupboards the dog just had no interest in (including no interest in CC apart from wanting to play with him)

we are left with Eddie barking in a corner to justify years of hounding of the Drs McCann; a very flimsy foundation indeed on which to base a belief system.

How observant of you Brietta.  I hadn't noticed that it was Keela in the boot of the car and NOT Eddie

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id167.html

labelled "The full length video", but Eddie playing with CC missing.  So any other things missing?

1.25.00 approx Keela entering the car
1.27.50 approx  Keela in boot
1.28.38 approx. Keela alerting by silently pointing
1.30.59 approx Keela out of car

So the alert in the boot was not by Eddie and was of blood from a living person.

It was NOT a cadavar alert.


So that so called alert to cadavar odour, in the car boot, goes out of the window too .

Well done Brietta.

[Alice Purjorick]

Why did Eddie alert, ever, in places Madeleine is known definitely never to have been?

Presumably because the dogs work on scent and not peoples names?
Or is that too simple?

[stephen25000]

Presumably because the dogs work on scent and not peoples names?
Or is that too simple?

Far too logical for certain people to understand.

[Anna]

Way back, I questioned why Eddie would be barking at the walls in the garage,( a fair distance away from the car)
 I believe the answer was...................Because it is within the zone of the scent cone.
 Considering  how small 5A was and on the same level as the restaurant also probably in close proximity to the soil pipes, which would serve the complex, I think there is many possibilities to his alerts.
 Remember he can smell through concrete too!
I think these dogs do a wonderful job at finding victims.................When a victim is found, but in this case nothing was found, so we do not know why the dog was barking and until we do, it is unfortunately, no more than a guessing game, with no evidence of any crime being committed, except for a missing child and an open window

[stephen25000]

How observant of you Brietta.  I hadn't noticed that it was Keela in the boot of the car and NOT Eddie

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id167.html

labelled "The full length video", but Eddie playing with CC missing.  So any other things missing?

1.25.00 approx Keela entering the car
1.27.50 approx  Keela in boot
1.28.38 approx. Keela alerting by silently pointing
1.30.59 approx Keela out of car

So the alert in the boot was not by Eddie and was of blood from a living person.

It was NOT a cadavar alert.


So that so called alert to cadavar odour, in the car boot, goes out of the window too .

Well done Brietta.

'....and was of blood from a living person.......'

.......and how do you know this ?

[Anna]

___________________________
Vol IX p. 2483

CSI HUMAN BLOOD DETECTING DOG

'Keela' The Crime Scene Investigation (C.S.I.) dog will search for and locate exclusively human blood. She will locate contaminated weapons, screen motor vehicles and items of clothing and examine crime scenes for human blood deposits. She will accurately locate human blood on items that have been subjected to 'clean up operations' or having been subjected to several washing machine cycles. In training she has accurately located samples of blood on property up to thirty-six years old.

In order for the dog to locate the source the blood must have 'dried' in situ. Any 'wetting' once dried will not affect the dog's abilities. Blood that is subjected to dilution by precipitation or other substantial water source prior to drying will soak into the ground or other absorbent material. This may dilute the scent to an unacceptable level for accurate location.

She is trained specifically using human blood obtained through the haematology department at Sheffield Northern General Hospital. The blood undergoes strict screening for disease and contamination prior to use. The samples are from a wide range of ethnic backgrounds and are from both male and female sources.

Keela's training and licensing is based around the level of 1 positive screening sample introduced into 200 control articles or 1 positive sample introduced during 6 hours searching in relation to crime scenes or vehicles.

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic35.html

[pathfinder73]

How observant of you Brietta.  I hadn't noticed that it was Keela in the boot of the car and NOT Eddie

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id167.html

labelled "The full length video", but Eddie playing with CC missing.  So any other things missing?

1.25.00 approx Keela entering the car
1.27.50 approx  Keela in boot
1.28.38 approx. Keela alerting by silently pointing
1.30.59 approx Keela out of car

So the alert in the boot was not by Eddie and was of blood from a living person.

It was NOT a cadavar alert.


So that so called alert to cadavar odour, in the car boot, goes out of the window too .

Well done Brietta.

Why didn't Keela search any of the other apartments but only 5A? Because there wasn't blood in any of them? No Wrong! Because Eddie detected what he is trained to find and only when that happens Keela comes in to check for blood. Eddie didn't need to go in the boot as he detected the odour he is trained to find coming out from the car i.e. the source. Martin Grime's professional opinion is the important one in this case:

SUMMARY

 The tasking for this operation was as per my normal Standard Operating
 Procedures. The dogs are deployed as search assets to secure evidence and
 locate human remains or Human blood.

 The dogs only alerted to property associated with the McCann family. The dog
 alert indications MUST be corroborated if to establish their findings as
 evidence.

 Therefore in this particular case, as no human remains were located, the only
 alert indications that may become corroborated are those that the CSI dog
 indicated by forensic laboratory analysis.

 My professional opinion as regards to the EVRD's alert indications is that it is
 suggestive that this is 'cadaver scent' contaminant. This does not however
 suggest a motive or suspect as cross contamination could be as a result of a
 number of given scenarios and in any event no evidential or intelligence
 reliability can be made from these alerts unless they can be confirmed with
 corroborating evidence.

[Anna]

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 My professional opinion as regards to the EVRD's alert indications is that it is
 suggestive that this is 'cadaver scent' contaminant. This does not however
 suggest a motive or suspect as cross contamination could be as a result of a
 number of given scenarios and in any event no evidential or intelligence
 reliability can be made from these alerts unless they can be confirmed with
 corroborating evidence.