Are Victim Detection and Forensic Evidence Search Dogs reliable?

[G-Unit]

The alternative is that Eddie reacted to a coconut.

Take your pick ....

Eddie alerted in an area. People dug up the area and found items. There is no evidence that the items were what triggered the alert.

[ferryman]

Eddie alerted in an area. People dug up the area and found items. There is no evidence that the items were what triggered the alert.

Eddie alerted to a coconut.

The new-fangled way of getting a dog to alert twice to the same object in two, different, spots didn't quite make it in HdLG for some reason ....

And there was no attempt to reconnoitre the area in advance of examination by the dog of the coconut (for some reason).

That Eddie reacted to a coconut can only be explained (away!) if there was some other scent within Eddie's scent-range in adjacent vicinity of the coconut ....

[pathfinder73]

Ignorance is bliss. Eddie wasn't trained to alert to coconut  If you watch the video Eddie is alerting for specific areas underground. Then they discovered the cellars where abuse took place.

[ferryman]

They put the coconut underground, did they?

Interesting ....

[Alice Purjorick]

They put the coconut underground, did they?

Interesting ....

Nah! they put the lime in the coconut.

[G-Unit]

Eddie alerted to a coconut.

The new-fangled way of getting a dog to alert twice to the same object in two, different, spots didn't quite make it in HdLG for some reason ....

And there was no attempt to reconnoitre the area in advance of examination by the dog of the coconut (for some reason).

That Eddie reacted to a coconut can only be explained (away!) if there was some other scent within Eddie's scent-range in adjacent vicinity of the coconut ....

Unless you can show proof that Eddie alerted specifically to a piece of coconut, or to the fragment which was said to be coconut you don't know what he alerted to. The mistake was human, not animal.

[Alfred R Jones]

Unless you can show proof that Eddie alerted specifically to a piece of coconut, or to the fragment which was said to be coconut you don't know what he alerted to. The mistake was human, not animal.

Are you of the opinion that this dog was incapable of making a mistake or false alert, ever?

[ferryman]

Unless you can show proof that Eddie alerted specifically to a piece of coconut, or to the fragment which was said to be coconut you don't know what he alerted to. The mistake was human, not animal.

No human mistake that identified what Eddie alerted to as a coconut (or a piece of wood).

Eddie's reputation might, conceivably, be saved if there was some erroneous scent in the vicinity within Eddie's scent-range.

All ways up, Grime is at fault.

[ferryman]

Eddie alerted in an area. People dug up the area and found items. There is no evidence that the items were what triggered the alert.

The correct way (by the record of PdL) is to reconnoitre an area first, then introduce whatever you want the dog to examine.

[G-Unit]

Are you of the opinion that this dog was incapable of making a mistake or false alert, ever?

Of course not. You give me proof that he made a mistake and I'll accept it. By that I mean proof, not newspaper gossip, not articles about other dogs, not opinions;  proof. Give me a direct quote from an observer or a picture of Eddie sniffing at a piece of coconut and then barking and I'll accept it (not photoshopped either lol).

[ferryman]

Ignorance is bliss. Eddie wasn't trained to alert to coconut  If you watch the video Eddie is alerting for specific areas underground. Then they discovered the cellars where abuse took place.

The report of Wiltshire Police into the Haut de la Garenne fiasco is required reading for those who want to know what really happened -- and what didn't ....

[mercury]

Of course not. You give me proof that he made a mistake and I'll accept it. By that I mean proof, not newspaper gossip, not articles about other dogs, not opinions;  proof. Give me a direct quote from an observer or a picture of Eddie sniffing at a piece of coconut and then barking and I'll accept it (not photoshopped either lol).

Isn't Ferrymans word good enough?
Lol don't answer that it was a joke

[G-Unit]

Isn't Ferrymans word good enough?
Lol don't answer that it was a joke

You mean the guy who thinks that if you want to search, say, a garden with a cadaver dog you first screen another garden to make sure there's no alerts. Then you pick up the garden you want to search and take it to the 'clean' garden. If the dog alerts, you then know the dog is actually alerting to the second garden, not the first one. If that sounds mad it's because it is. 

[ferryman]

You mean the guy who thinks that if you want to search, say, a garden with a cadaver dog you first screen another garden to make sure there's no alerts. Then you pick up the garden you want to search and take it to the 'clean' garden. If the dog alerts, you then know the dog is actually alerting to the second garden, not the first one. If that sounds mad it's because it is. 

Where do you suppose the PJ got the idea from of reconnoitring the gym before inspection of clothing?

[pathfinder73]

The report of Wiltshire Police into the Haut de la Garenne fiasco is required reading for those who want to know what really happened -- and what didn't ....

Explain the collagen?