The tapas group and the 'reconstitution' that was never to take place.

[stephen25000]

if maddie is a victim then her family are victims

Madeleine was a victim of her parents carelessness and neglect.

[G-Unit]

I deliberately made that statement to elicit a response from you that I expected...you have a personal grudge against doctors . I doubt the doctors made your family member worse...just you getting everything back to front again

You know nothing. Another doctor gave up his weekend off to care for my family member who recovered.. There are good doctors, bad doctors, overworked doctors and lazy doctors. Some even tell lies, i expect. They are just people with a certain set of skills. Sometimes they get things right, sometimes they don't. If anyone gets things back to front it's not me.

[Mr Gray]

You know nothing. Another doctor gave up his weekend off to care for my family member who recovered.. There are good doctors, bad doctors, overworked doctors and lazy doctors. Some even tell lies, i expect. They are just people with a certain set of skills. Sometimes they get things right, sometimes they don't. If anyone gets things back to front it's not me.

I think they are rather special people with a vast set of skills who save lives on a daily basis...I think most people give them the respect they deserve...that excludes you of course

[Angelo222]

Facetious crap.

   

[Angelo222]

you are acting particularly stupid...silence is no confirmation of guilt and only a fool would think that

Police operate on that basis all the time so in your book they must be stupid too.

[stephen25000]

I think they are rather special people with a vast set of skills who save lives on a daily basis...I think most people give them the respect they deserve...that excludes you of course

Special people dave ?

They trained for a job.

Just like other people do.

[faithlilly]

You do not only do other posters a disservice by supposing they have claimed all Polícia Judiciária Officers are as corrupt as those surrounding Mr Amaral ... you do the PJ itself a disservice.  It should be noted that ordinary hard working officers do not appreciate being associated with those who have faced criminal charges and convictions.

Paulo Rebelo gives an indication of how an investigation should be conducted, reconstruction and all ... his predecessor exemplified the obverse.


'They believe us': Portuguese police finally re-enact Madeleine abduction
Last updated at 13:09 30 October 2007

Kate and Gerry McCann have received a massive boost as Portuguese police have finally decided to reconstruct what happened on the night that Madeleine disappeared.

In a clear sign that Portuguese police are moving back towards the possibility that the four-year old was abducted the new head of the Portuguese police investigation returned to the McCanns' apartment last night to re-enact a possible abduction.

Paulo Rebelo and six detectives appeared to be testing Kate and Gerry McCann's belief that their daughter was snatched from the two-bedroom flat.

They spent almost three hours at the apartment where Madeleine was left sleeping with two-year-old twins Sean and Amelie on May 3.They seemed to be focusing on windows and patio doors where an abductor could have gained entry.

Witnesses saw the team passing a large blue blanket through a bedroom window.

They said the detectives appeared to be checking whether it would be possible for one person to take a child out or if they would have needed an accomplice.

An officer also climbed out of the window.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-490610/They-believe-Portuguese-police-finally-enact-Madeleine-abduction.html#ixzz3fgxhExfJ

Interesting that after that 'reconstitution' Rebelo requested that another reconstitution take place with the main protagonists. Doesn't sound that he was too convinced of the McCann's story either.

[Mr Gray]

Police operate on that basis all the time so in your book they must be stupid too.

amaral and his band certainly were

[stephen25000]

amaral and his band certainly were

and the Barry George team of police ...........

[Alfred R Jones]

   

this guy refused to answer 107 police questions.  I guess by your logic he has something to hide then?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6044.300

[Brietta]

Why do you spend your time arguing their corner then? They don't need your help, I'm sure. Your use of the 'Doctor' title seems to have an underlying motive of some kind, so I just thought I'd remind you it doesn't convey anything. The days of respecting people because of their profession are long gone. All the vicars exposed by the NotW, all the lying politicians and misbehaving doctors saw to that.

I can guess why the group didn't want to return to Portugal and I doubt if it had anything to do with anyone's 'attitude'.

We did have a discussion on the forum regarding appropriate titles.  There was some discussion on whether or not Dr Gerry McCann was indeed a more illustrious Mr rather then an ordinary MD, if memory serves me well.
Mr Amaral's right to the Dr prefix was also discussed ... perhaps before your present time as a poster ... and it was decided that he had no entitlement.
Which is when I stopped referring to him as Dr and have called him Mr ever since.

What an utterly strange, inconsequential and revealing thing to get all het up about ... and I don't really think it is appropriate to question my motives particularly as I would never be so impolite to question yours or any other poster's.

Back to the nitty gritty though.  If any person who found themselves in the same situation as the tapas group doctors and Jez Wilkins voluntarily returned to submit their lives to a regime experience of which gave them every right to suspect was Hell bent on setting their innocent friends and themselves up for a crime they did not commit ... I would consider them have no understanding of the Inquisitorial System of Portuguese Justice.

Logically there was nothing a reconstitution would contribute to finding Madeleine McCann for the simple reason all these people could do was reiterate what the investigation already knew about their whereabouts on the night Madeleine vanished.

I can only imagine the delight of the perpetrator of this crime at the opprobrium being heaped on innocents and no official body investigating him / her.
Bet he's not feeling as secure as s/he has been ... now that s/he is being actively looked for at long last ... and without the unnecessary reconstitution being enacted proving it was never needed in the first place.

[Benice]

Total rollocks.

They were under no threat.

The political help they received was quite extraordinary.

They  simply refused to fully cooperate fully with the investigation.

I'm still waiting for someone to explain how this reconstitution was going to be carried out:
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PJ to Jez Wilkins:   We would like you to set off on your walk at the same time you did last year.

Jez to PJ:        But I don't know what the exact time was.   I can make an educated guess but what if I get it wrong and miss Gerry?    What then?   Do you want me to have another go at it starting out at a different time or what?

PJ to Jez    Erm.........................................................??

Can you suggest what the PJ's answer would be Stephen?

Same goes for JT - who also could only give an approximate time of when she left the table after Gerry - (5 to 10 mins).   She would only have to be wrong by a minute or two  - and Gerry could be back at the table before she even left it.    Or would he and Jez be told to hang about in the street until she did arrive?   In which case it wouldn't be a true recon would it?

It is simply not humanly possible for 10 people to accurately recreate their movements from a night 12 month prior and the only thing an attempted recon would do - is prove that to be the case.

If you - or anyone else think differently then I would be interested to hear how you think the problem of the approximate times would be dealt with by the PJ.

I keep asking this question, but no-one replies - so I won't hold my breath.

[stephen25000]

We did have a discussion on the forum regarding appropriate titles.  There was some discussion on whether or not Dr Gerry McCann was indeed a more illustrious Mr rather then an ordinary MD, if memory serves me well.
Mr Amaral's right to the Dr prefix was also discussed ... perhaps before your present time as a poster ... and it was decided that he had no entitlement.
Which is when I stopped referring to him as Dr and have called him Mr ever since.

What an utterly strange, inconsequential and revealing thing to get all het up about ... and I don't really think it is appropriate to question my motives particularly as I would never be so impolite to question yours or any other poster's.

Back to the nitty gritty though.  If any person who found themselves in the same situation as the tapas group doctors and Jez Wilkins voluntarily returned to submit their lives to a regime experience of which gave them every right to suspect was Hell bent on setting their innocent friends and themselves up for a crime they did not commit ... I would consider them have no understanding of the Inquisitorial System of Portuguese Justice.

Logically there was nothing a reconstitution would contribute to finding Madeleine McCann for the simple reason all these people could do was reiterate what the investigation already knew about their whereabouts on the night Madeleine vanished.

I can only imagine the delight of the perpetrator of this crime at the opprobrium being heaped on innocents and no official body investigating him / her.
Bet he's not feeling as secure as s/he has been ... now that s/he is being actively looked for at long last ... and without the unnecessary reconstitution being enacted proving it was never needed in the first place.

The bottom line which you repeatedly ignore is very simple.

You don't know that the mccanns ever told the  truth.

[Carana]

I'm still waiting for someone to explain how this reconstitution was going to be carried out:
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PJ to Jez Wilkins:   We would like you to set off on your walk at the same time you did last year.

Jez to PJ:        But I don't know what the exact time was.   I can make an educated guess but what if I get it wrong and miss Gerry?    What then?   Do you want me to have another go at it starting out at a different time or what?

PJ to Jez    Erm.........................................................??

Can you suggest what the PJ's answer would be Stephen?

Same goes for JT - who also could only give an approximate time of when she left the table after Gerry - (5 to 10 mins).   She would only have to be wrong by a minute or two  - and Gerry could be back at the table before she even left it.    Or would he and Jez be told to hang about in the street until she did arrive?   In which case it wouldn't be a true recon would it?

It is simply not humanly possible for 10 people to accurately recreate their movements from a night 12 month prior and the only thing an attempted recon would do - is prove that to be the case.

If you - or anyone else think differently then I would be interested to hear how you think the problem of the approximate times would be dealt with by the PJ.

I keep asking this question, but no-one replies - so I won't hold my breath.

No idea, Benice.

Depending on your motive, you could make everyone repeat a sequence of actions until you find one that appears to be suitably physically impossible and damning and then you present that one to the prosecutor.

Personally, I very much doubt that Rebelo would have done that as he seems to have been a decent cop as far as I've been able to gather.

[stephen25000]

Bearing in mind the nature of the case and the exceptional circumstances of the events.

One thing you can be sure of, the mccanns and some of their associates know exactly what happened on the night Madeleine disappeared.

There remains no excuse.