New book "Blood Guilt: The White House Farm Murders" out soon.

[Holly Goodhead]

The above is due to be published on 15 April 2014:

http://books.google.co.uk/books/about/Blood_Guilt.html?id=DUQVnwEACAAJ&redir_esc=y

by Carol Ann Lee:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Ann_Lee

Published by mainstream publishing:

http://www.mainstreampublishing.com/truecrime.html



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[John]

Thank you for bringing this book to our attention Holly.  No doubt the 'experts' here will pull it apart in due course.

My own view and that shared by many others is that the blood evidence is but a minor part of Bambers conviction so attempts to undermine it will have little relevance.

Here for those interested is the pre launch guff...

A meticulously researched and ground-breaking new look at the White House Farm Murders of 1986.
     
In October 1986, 24 year-old Jeremy Bamber was convicted of murdering his parents, sister and six year-old twin nephews at White House Farm in Essex. The prosecution argued that he had done so to secure a generous inheritance, and that immediately after the brutal killings, he had placed the gun on his sister's body to convince police that it was a murder-suicide. Ordered to serve a minimum of 25 years in prison, in 1994 Bamber's sentence was increased to whole life. He has always maintained his innocence and in the last couple of years a huge amount of material has come to light -- much of it apparently deliberately suppressed at the time of the trial -- bringing growing support for Bamber, both by forensic experts, in the press, and by the public.

Today, at least two MPs are fighting his cause, documentaries question the validity of his conviction, and Bamber's internet profile is so compelling and widespread that it would put a public relations company to shame. Is Jeremy Bamber at the centre of one of the worst miscarriages of justice of our time or is he a cold, calculating killer who continues to exert control from behind bars? In Blood Guilt, bestselling true-crime author Carol Ann Lee has produced the definitive account of one of the most notorious crimes of our time.



Anyone got the sick bucket?   

[Angelo222]

She is a few years out of date since Bambers support is at an all time low.  Who are these MP's who are supporting a double child killer, let's give them some publicity too.

And dare I say it, Carol Ann Lee is but another grubby author attempting to line their pockets on the back of the White House farm murders. 

[ActualMat]

"
Today, at least two MPs are fighting his cause, documentaries question the validity of his conviction, and Bamber's internet profile is so compelling and widespread that it would put a public relations company to shame"


What?? I don't think either of those things are true.

[Holly Goodhead]

I am led to believe that Carol Ann Lee's forthcoming book is anti Bamber but this is based on bits I have picked up on Blue  8-)(--)

It is widely known that former Tory mp for Basingstoke, Andrew Hunter, is a strong proponent of JB suffering a MoJ.  I understand he is also due to publish a book.  Maybe now is the time to buy shares in Amazon/book stores  8-)(--)

In the past George Galloway has lent support to JB.  He might be the other MP.  Lol you could hardly find two mp's at opposite ends of the spectrum than George Galloway and Andrew Hunter.  That in itself is fascinating! 

Ever eager to further my understanding of the JB case I took the opportunity of visiting Waterstones to see if I could pre-order the book by Carol Ann Lee but apparently it is only available in Canada and Australia?  The very helpful sales staff said this was not uncommon and might be due to legal constraints as JB is a serving prisoner  8-)(--)

[John]

Sounds very like the existing book called Blood Relations by Roger Wilkes first published in 1994.

[Mr Moderator]

Is there such a thing as a trade descriptions Act for novelists who publish crap?   I ask the question because so much of that intro on the Amazon site is pure invention?

The very first line is untrue for instance.

"A meticulously researched and ground-breaking new look at the White House Farm Murders of 1986."

The murders were in 1985, not 1986.  So much for the meticulous research.


"...in the last couple of years a huge amount of material has come to light -- much of it apparently deliberately suppressed at the time of the trial -- bringing growing support for Bamber, both by forensic experts, in the press, and by the public. "

No material has come to light which has been of any advantage to the defence, again more spin.  As for support, most people who take the time to study the true facts in the case eventually realise Bamber is a filthy murderer."


"Bamber's internet profile is so compelling and widespread that it would put a public relations company to shame."

This one really takes the biscuit.  Fortunately due to this forum Bambers internet profile has been all but destroyed.  Thousands of people who would have otherwise been taken in by the rubbish posted on sites like Tesko's are now much wiser as to what really happened at White House farm.  Lets hope the book isn't anything like the intro.

[puglove]

Is there such a thing as a trade descriptions Act for novelists who publish crap?   I ask the question because so much of that intro on the Amazon site is pure invention?

The very first line is untrue for instance.

"A meticulously researched and ground-breaking new look at the White House Farm Murders of 1986."

The murders were in 1985, not 1986.  So much for the meticulous research.


"...in the last couple of years a huge amount of material has come to light -- much of it apparently deliberately suppressed at the time of the trial -- bringing growing support for Bamber, both by forensic experts, in the press, and by the public. "

No material has come to light which has been of any advantage to the defence, again more spin.  As for support, most people who take the time to study the true facts in the case eventually realise Bamber is a filthy murderer."


"Bamber's internet profile is so compelling and widespread that it would put a public relations company to shame."

This one really takes the biscuit.  Fortunately due to this forum Bambers internet profile has been all but destroyed.  Thousands of people who would have otherwise been taken in by the rubbish posted on sites like Tesko's are now much wiser as to what really happened at White House farm.  Lets hope the book isn't anything like the intro.

I liked the bit about Bamber's internet profile, too! Mike and Misty, 4 old women pretending to like each other, and Gladys and his famous performing sphincter. Compelling indeed!   

[scipio_usmc]

I have to wonder what could be groundbreaking.

An accurate book would simply recount everything we already know.

Some sloppy claims were already pointed out.

I have a feeling it will consist of accusations by Jeremy's defenders and little else. Recounting those claims would hardly be new or groundbreaking. Dismissing them would not be new or groundbreaking either.

So I don't see anyway it could be new or groundbreaking in any respect.

 

[Myster]

Ever eager to further my understanding of the JB case I took the opportunity of visiting Waterstones to see if I could pre-order the book by Carol Ann Lee but apparently it is only available in Canada and Australia?  The very helpful sales staff said this was not uncommon and might be due to legal constraints as JB is a serving prisoner  8-)(--)

Mainstream Publishing are based at 7 Albany Street, Edinburgh, so I can't see them missing the opportunity for sales in Britain, as all of Carol Ann Lee's previous books have been published here.  And the serving prisoner excuse didn't stop Roger Wilkes or Claire Powell.   How many in Canada or Australia are going to be interested ?

I wonder what she thinks of Teskowski's corny efforts to waken a "slumbering Keith Bennett" on Saddleworth Moor ?

Quote:

"In her career as a true-crime writer Carol Ann, who is in a relationship with Alan Bennett*, younger brother of Keith Bennett, the victim of moors murders Ian Brady and Myra Hindley, has written about some appalling murders and murderers – not least Brady and Hindley themselves."

*(as of July, 2013)

http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/lifestyle/books/10561889.___She_was_a_very_likeable_person__You_could_have_had_a_lovely_evening_with_Ruth_Ellis___/

[John]

How many in Canada or Australia are going to be interested ?

There's always Julie and Brett although someone recently suggested he was deceased or 'gone to ground' to put it another way.     

[goatboy]

I thought Brett Collins seemed to have completely disappeared. Was he ever heard of again after the trial?

[Holly Goodhead]

How will you guys feel if she's anti Bamber?  You will be wanting to take her out to dinner 

I'm led to believe she's anti but don't hold me to that.   

True crime is the most popular genre.  I think the WHF case is endlessly fascinating albeit very tragic.  If she has researched the birth family's of SC and JB with their royal connections I think this would be very appealing to the Australian and Canadian market.  Also JM and SC's birth mother currently reside in Canada.  SC's British born grandfather took up the post of professor emeritus of theology at McGill University, Montreal.

I guess the title is connected to the open pages of the bible:

408. The pages on which the heavy staining appears in these photographs are pages including part or all of Psalms 51-55. It is said that these pages are significant and represented "Sheila Caffell's suicide note". A number of passages are highlighted and it will suffice if we give one example, taken from verse 14 of Psalm 51:

"Save me from blood guiltiness O God…"

(above from CoA doc)

[scipio_usmc]

How will you guys feel if she's anti Bamber?  You will be wanting to take her out to dinner 

I'm led to believe she's anti but don't hold me to that.

The press releases hint she is pro Jeremy. 

If she is neither pro nor anti Jeremy and instead just presented all the evidence and let the reader decide that would be best. At the very least it should present all the evidence against Jeremy, all the arguments made by his supporters and to establish which claims have merit and which do not using solid evidence to prove it.   

True crime is the most popular genre.  I think the WHF case is endlessly fascinating albeit very tragic.  If she has researched the birth family's of SC and JB with their royal connections I think this would be very appealing to the Australian and Canadian market.  Also JM and SC's birth mother currently reside in Canada.  SC's British born grandfather took up the post of professor emeritus of theology at McGill University, Montreal.

I guess the title is connected to the open pages of the bible:

408. The pages on which the heavy staining appears in these photographs are pages including part or all of Psalms 51-55. It is said that these pages are significant and represented "Sheila Caffell's suicide note". A number of passages are highlighted and it will suffice if we give one example, taken from verse 14 of Psalm 51:

"Save me from blood guiltiness O God…"

(above from CoA doc)

True crime stories usually sensationalize rather than provide a solid accounting of a case.  DOcumentaries and books written in documentary form don't make much money.  When the object is to make money and have a legacy the object is to sensationalize things.  While it is possible to write a complete tale in an interesting fashion it is a challenge and writers often don't do so.  They take creative license and in the process don't present a true complete accounting of things.  A true complete accounting will not result in major fame that requires controversy. Hence why writers like to present controversy even when it is bogus.

The book won't be of any value to me at all unless it includes facts and evidence that I have not seen before. That is the only utility from my perspective.  What arguments the author makes is not really important (so I don't care is she is pro or con Jeremy) only the evidence I can take from the work if there is any that is being used to back up/refute anything claimed will be of any importance to me.

Suppose Carole Ann believes he is guilty, does repeating that mean a hill of beans as far as a debate goes?  Nope. It is not really of any value in a debate. Most people thought the world was flat at one point does that mean they were right?

If she makes good arguments and has solid evidence then that would mean something but her unsupported opinion would not.

If she is pro Jeremy but presents no solid reasoning and evidence to back up her claims then again who cares.  If she presents some evidence then her arguments and evidence need to be tested to see if the evidence is accurate and claims hold water.  That would actually be more interesting because it would give me something to do.

Otherwise I will have to go back to debating about Ukraine, Knox or one of the other various subjects I discuss besides this one. 
 

 

[John]

I can't see her providing anything new unless she is brave enough to name Jeremy's co conspirator.  And no I'm not going to reveal that here until my own enquiries are complete.

As far as her being a supporter or a critic of Jeremy is concerned I hope she simply repeats all the evidence and doesn't pick out the juicy bits just for the sake of it.

Everyone who has studied the Bamber case knows that Jeremy's guilt is based on Sheila's innocence.  The former is intrinsically linked to the latter and that unfortunately for Jeremy is the reason he will never win an appeal.  All the tangible evidence points to Sheila being a victim and that can never change no matter how many pigskins get shot at or how many paid 'exerts' or MP's crawl out from under a stone to bleat foul play.

On the subject of the book, time will tell but one thing is for sure, it would need to be a dam site better than the intro with its basic flaw or else it and Mss Lee are going to be torn to shreds!