Were the half hour visual checks a convenient invention after the fact?

[slartibartfast]

Why didn't Amaral do that at the time, when the 'iron was hot?'

The Mccanns wanted it but his excuse was something of the order that it would be impossible because of the media intrusion.  What Tommy Rot !   

Was he trying to persuade the critical 'audience that the PJ were not capable of doing it at the time?  That they were incapable of denying public access to a relatively small area ?

I dont believe that.  From all that he has said, he had made up his mind within hours that madeleine had not been abducted, so no point in searching for her.  The way forward in his mind was to find anything he could to incriminate The Mccanns.

Another notch to his gun, so to speak

Remind us who were the investigating authority. It is not usual for those connected with a crime or victims to dictate how an investigation proceeds.

[sadie]

Remind us who were the investigating authority. It is not usual for those connected with a crime or victims to dictate how an investigation proceeds.

Amaral has said that he couldn't do it because of media intrusion, which is Tommy Rot. 

He just didn't want it that stage.   Was the reason for that because he had already made up his mind that the Mccanns were involved?   He did that overnight, just a few hours after Madeleine going missing.   

Was he fearful that a reconstruction might publicly prove his theory wrong ?

I can't think of any other reason, can you ?

[slartibartfast]

Amaral has said that he couldn't do it because of media intrusion, which is Tommy Rot. 

He just didn't want it that stage.   Was the reason for that because he had already made up his mind that the Mccanns were involved?   He did that overnight, just a few hours after Madeleine going missing.   

Was he fearful that a reconstruction might publicly prove his theory wrong ?

I can't think of any other reason, can you ?

You are calling the investigating officer a liar, please provide cites or remove.

[sadie]

You are calling the investigating officer a liar, please provide cites or remove.

I am not calling him a liar, altho I do wonder. 

I am saying that his judgement was very weak and was that because of his over-riding conviction that the Mccanns were involved?

[slartibartfast]

I am not calling him a liar, altho I do wonder. 

I am saying that his judgement was very weak and was that because of his over-riding conviction that the Mccanns were involved?

So what does...

Amaral has said that he couldn't do it because of media intrusion, which is Tommy Rot. 

Mean.

Still no cites on his decision then. Creating myths Sadie?

[sadie]

So what does...

Mean.

Still no cites on his decision then. Creating myths Sadie?

Yep his judgement was totally wrong about the reasons for not organising a reconstruction and I repeat I do wonder if he feared that a reconstruction at the time might publicly prove his extraordinarly rapidly formed theory had great big holes in it.

As for calling him a liar.  We all know that he is a liar because of his perjury.  The Courts found him guilty of lying .... but in this instance I give him the benefit of the doubt .... but I do wonder.

BTW could you think of any other reasons ? :

Was he fearful that a reconstruction might publicly prove his theory wrong ?

I can't think of any other reason, can you ?

Can you think of any other reasons, Slarti?

[Miss Taken Identity]

You still haven't got it.

The police do the questioning.  The police take the statements.  The police do the cross referencing for evaluation purposes.  The police enable prosecutors to decide whether or not proceedings ensue.

What is it you or anyone else on the internet can do that hasn't been done already by the police.

Or is it your contention that the Policia Judiciaria were so remiss and incompetent in detective work that I will be so much better at answering your questions than they were at the time with all the information there was to hand?

You appear not to have a clue what constitutes defamation ~ or is it that you do know but just don't give a damn?

It would seem you chose to berate  and name call and insinuate illiteracy coupled with a mental health condition which means I have obviously won that argument.

Not giving a damn would be right up there with who GAF about them anyway.

 However, what you fail to acknowledge is: I was questioning the validity of answers they gave to the police- which I am sure the Police had in mind IE, Tapas tell  a story about 30 mins checking but there seems to be lacking independant verification, therefore,  we only have their word for it- Hence  they may or may not have checked every 30 mins,in other words they may or may not be telling the truth.  Certainly not libel, but I wouldn't have an issue coming up against CR,  because I would crucify their PR Machine by forcing them to say what they didn't says before on camera.

[sadie]

It would seem you chose to berate  and name call and insinuate illiteracy coupled with a mental health condition which means I have obviously won that argument.

Not giving a damn would be right up there with who GAF about them anyway.

 However, what you fail to acknowledge is: I was questioning the validity of answers they gave to the police- which I am sure the Police had in mind IE, Tapas tell  a story about 30 mins checking but there seems to be lacking independant verification, therefore,  we only have their word for it- Hence  they may or may not have checked every 30 mins,in other words they may or may not be telling the truth.  Certainly not libel, but I wouldn't have an issue coming up against CR,  because I would crucify their PR Machine by forcing them to say what they didn't says before on camera.

Any suggestions about who COULD verify their 30 minute checks would be appreciated. 

Nobody, that is not part of the group, will have had a stop watch timing them.



SY Officers and PJ Officer Rebelo and the rest of the PJ apart from Amaral and his cohorts seem happy with the tapas accounts ... so why are you so bigotted that you can only see lies from the Tapas Group?

Nine mainly senior professionals who are unlikely to have reached their levels in their professions if they were liars, have individually given their accounts of what happened ... and the timings as they remember them.

Are you calling them all liars ?

[G-Unit]

Any suggestions about who COULD verify their 30 minute checks would be appreciated. 

Nobody, that is not part of the group, will have had a stop watch timing them.



SY Officers and PJ Officer Rebelo and the rest of the PJ apart from Amaral and his cohorts seem happy with the tapas accounts ... so why are you so bigotted that you can only see lies from the Tapas Group?

Nine mainly senior professionals who are unlikely to have reached their levels in their professions if they were liars, have individually given their accounts of what happened ... and the timings as they remember them.

Are you calling them all liars ?

There were enough contradictions for the PJ to ask for a reconstitution. Owing to the refusal of the witnesses to take part those contradictions were never explained. When the case was archived the Legal Summary said;

said facts remain unclarified.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm

Those facts remain unclarified as far as I know.

[sadie]

There were enough contradictions for the PJ to ask for a reconstitution. Owing to the refusal of the witnesses to take part those contradictions were never explained. When the case was archived the Legal Summary said;

said facts remain unclarified.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm

Those facts remain unclarified as far as I know.

And the question remains:

Why didn't the PJ do the reconstitution / reconstruction at the time, as The Mccanns wanted ?   Whilst everything was clear in everybodies minds ?

Why didn't they do it then Gunit ?

[G-Unit]

And the question remains:

Why didn't the PJ do the reconstitution / reconstruction at the time, as The Mccanns wanted ?   Whilst everything was clear in everybodies minds ?

Why didn't they do it then Gunit ?

I have only one source, which is Amaral. He doesn't actually say who decided not to do it, he just provides the reasons given. Ruining people's holidays, closing airspace, hordes of journalists and the danger of making the group look like suspects.

Do you have a cite for the McCanns wanting a reconstruction 'at the time' please?

[mercury]

GUILHERMINO ENCARNACAO was Amarals superior and the one who ran the case, IIRC it was he who suggested a reconstruction at the time was not a good idea..but i cant remember where i read this

alot of the decisions made were nothing to do with amaral as he had go take orders but some people are obsessed with him and making him the fall guy...no doubt to the joy of the mccanns and their cohorts, i mean why on earth would the british press gun for him so early and why on earth would the mccanns pay for blackening hs name through their metodo agency...deserve all they get imo in comeback...he was doing his job and they crucified him for it

[sadie]

GUILHERMINO ENCARNACAO was Amarals superior and the one who ran the case, IIRC it was he who suggested a reconstruction at the time was not a good idea..but i cant remember where i read this

alot of the decisions made were nothing to do with amaral as he had go take orders but some people are obsessed with him and making him the fall guy...no doubt to the joy of the mccanns and their cohorts, i mean why on earth would the british press gun for him so early and why on earth would the mccanns pay for blackening hs name through their metodo agency...deserve all they get imo in comeback...he was doing his job and they crucified him for it

I think GUILHERMINO ENCARNACAO must take a little of the blame, but Amaral was the one who decided right from day 1 that The Mccanns 'dunit' or had something to do with it.  And he was head honcho on the spot.

Unfortunately Encarnacao cant be followed up as, if reports are true, it seems he is dead.


I will be honest
It seems to me that if he is truly dead, Guilhermino Encarnacao is too convenient a fall guy.  I keep remembering the black guy who drove a digger, was his name Monteiro?  He was dead and they tried to make him the fall guy in the Madeleine case.



Now we have Ben Needham in Kos.  A dead man who also drove a digger has become the "fall guy" ... but is he the one ? ... or is he just a convenient dead patsy ?

You know, plant the idea that Ben is dead .... and everyone stops looking.

[mercury]

Guilhermino is dead and i imagine anyone who questions his death should question themselves

Moving on, a particular prick fron the british press called it (his death) an obstacle removed

Robert mendick

How crass how evil

[Brietta]

Guilhermino is dead and i imagine anyone who questions his death should question themselves

Moving on, a particular prick fron the british press called it (his death) an obstacle removed

Robert mendick

How crass how evil

The forum has discussed along these lines already http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2002.msg64369#msg64369.
The "crass, evil" statement is just another piece of misinformation put about on certain internet blogs this time targetting Robert Mendick for some reason best known to themselves ...

Quote
Guilhermino Encarnacao, who was in charge of the Policia Judiciaria in the Algarve, died two weeks ago from stomach cancer.
Mr Encarnacao was convinced Madeleine had died in her parents' apartment and was a major source of a series of off the record briefings to journalists against the McCanns.
By Robert Mendick9:00PM GMT 06 Mar 2010
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/7384911/Home-Office-launches-secret-review-into-Madeleine-McCanns-disappearance.html

Do you have a cite for the original article which makes reference to Guilhermino Encarnacao being an "object removed"?  I can find it on blogs ... some with quaint names ... but I can't find the original.