When did Gerry first learn about Jane Tanner's sighting?

[buzz]

Gerry states in his 10th May interview that he found out about Tannerman at 1am on 4th May when Russell told him and yet he was present when the written timeline was created which makes clear reference to Tannerman.

[Alfred R Jones]

What time was the written timeline you are referring to written?

[Alfred R Jones]

Are you suggesting they were written after 1am?

No, I'm asking you what time the timeline was written.  You said Gerry said he found out about Tannerman at 1am 4th May  (3 hours after his daughter went missing)which was a lie (according to you) , so what time was the timeline written?

[Martina]

What time was the written timeline you are referring to written?

The two timelines written on the cover of the Maddie's colouring book, I suppose. It was made during that fateful night, after the discovery of Maddie's dissapearance.

[icabodcrane]

No, I'm asking you what time the timeline was written.  You said Gerry said he found out about Tannerman at 1am 4th May  (3 hours after his daughter went missing)which was a lie (according to you) , so what time was the timeline written?

In his rogatory interview Russell Obrien states that  whilst  he was writing out the timeline one of the PJ officers present said that he wanted it   (  the piece of paper the timeline   written on   )

Kate says in her book that the PJ officers did not arrive until just after 1.00am

If that was the case, then it appears the timeline was written some time after 1.00am leaving it  possible   for  Gerry McCann not to have known about   'Tannerman'  until that time

[Brietta]

In his rogatory interview Russell Obrien states that  whilst  he was writing out the timeline one of the PJ officers present said that he wanted it   (  the piece of paper the timeline   written on   )

Kate says in her book that the PJ officers did not arrive until just after 1.00am

If that was the case, then it appears the timeline was written some time after 1.00am leaving it  possible   for  Gerry McCann not to have known about   'Tannerman'  until that time

I think that sounds feasible.

Was it not the case that they would have been searching immediately Madeleine was found to be gone, not working out timelines until later?

[peter claridge]

I think that sounds feasible.

Was it not the case that they would have been searching immediately Madeleine was found to be gone, not working out timelines until later?

What time do you think Tanner and O'Brien remembered her second visit to the apartment?

[Brietta]

What time do you think Tanner and O'Brien remembered her second visit to the apartment?

I think you have lost me there, Peter.

[peter claridge]

I think you have lost me there, Peter.

There is no mention in either timeline written on the night of Tanner's second visit to her apartment.  The timelines were written by her partner O'Brien

[pegasus]

Answer IMO might be: In 5A a short time after PJ arrival when JT was summoned to 5A to speak to PJ ?

[pegasus]

From 2008 statement JT

Reply:   “... when the PJ came, they came to get me to talk to them ..."
4078    “So when you went into Gerry and Kate’s apartment who else was there?”
Reply    “... I think Russell came with me and there was Sylvie who was the translator.  ... a PJ chap was sitting on the, by the table.  And there was Gerry who was standing by the, the bedroom door”.
4078    “And how was Gerry at that point?”
Reply    “... obviously distraught.  And I think it was quite hard for me to be saying at that, you know, looking in his face and to be explaining what I’d seen, at that point was quite hard ..."
4078    “And what was Gerry’s reaction to what you said?”
Reply    “Well I don’t even know whether he took it in, I mean, he was just, he was, you know, obviously just standing there looking absolutely horrified ...”.

[icabodcrane]

I think that sounds feasible.

Was it not the case that they would have been searching immediately Madeleine was found to be gone, not working out timelines until later?

I don't think it  is  feasible,  personally

It's what the tapas group  say  happened, and without evidence to the contrary we have to accept the possibility that Gerry McCann was not made aware of the man Jane saw until after 1.00am that morning

Is it  feasible though  ?

Is it feasible that members of  the group kept that crucial information from Gerry McCann for over three hours  ?   

I just don't think it is

[Benice]

I don't think it  is  feasible,  personally

It's what the tapas group  say  happened, and without evidence to the contrary we have to accept the possibility that Gerry McCann was not made aware of the man Jane saw until after 1.00am that morning

Is it  feasible though  ?

Is it feasible that members of  the group kept that crucial information from Gerry McCann for over three hours  ?   

I just don't think it is

I think it's perfectly feasible once you remove 'hindsight' from the equation.  Everyone was in massive shock - no-one would be thinking calmly for a long time - and for all they knew Madeleine could be found at any minute.   They could see what a terrible state Kate and Gerry were in - so why add to such anquish and terror - when it may not have been necessary.     They did not have the benefit of hindsight that we have.

So easy to be wise after the event.   

[Alfred R Jones]

Yes please, whatever you do, don't make any allowances for the McCanns or their friends to be in a state of shock or for events that night to have been chaotic, disorganised, confused, frantic.  That just won't do!

[faithlilly]

I think it's perfectly feasible once you remove 'hindsight' from the equation.  Everyone was in massive shock - no-one would be thinking calmly for a long time - and for all they knew Madeleine could be found at any minute.   They could see what a terrible state Kate and Gerry were in - so why add to such anquish and terror - when it may not have been necessary.     They did not have the benefit of hindsight that we have.

So easy to be wise after the event.

I'm sorry Benice but you are not using logic but simply believing what you want to believe.

By shortly after ten several of the friends knew about Tanner's sighting yet none of them :

A. Mentioned the sighting to Gerry. In fact as Gerry was on the same street at the same time wouldn't the logical thing to do ( and remember most of his friends were doctors working in a high pressure environment ) was ask Gerry if he'd also seen the man ? If he had then it would be fairly obvious it wasn't Madeleine and the sighting could, at a stroke, have been ruled out. So why wasn't the question asked ?
B. Searched in the direction that Tanner said the man was going in