Mark Warner Holidays and Ocean Club Resorts had a duty of care towards their guests.

[pegasus]

People make the assumption that because there was no sign of forced entry, the burglar must have had a key.
At two flats the crime scenes even featured a very obvious open metalshutter and window, yet still people insist he must have had a key.

The window shutters have no lock or bolt.
The window does not auto-lock.
If the occupant closes the metal shutter, and closes the window, but forgets to also press the window lock button, then entry through closed shutter and closed window is an easy quick job for any burglar.

[sadie]

People make the assumption that because there was no sign of forced entry, the burglar must have had a key.
At two flats the crime scenes even featured a very obvious open metalshutter and window, yet still people insist he must have had a key.

The window shutters have no lock or bolt.
The window does not auto-lock.
If the occupant closes the metal shutter, and closes the window, but forgets to also press the window lock button, then entry through closed shutter and closed window is an easy quick job for any burglar.

I dont know about in the other flats Pegasus, but the open part of the window in 5A is very narrow for anyone to get thru.  It is not impossible for a slim guy, but it would be quite tricky ... and unless the intruder were prepared to fall into the room headfirst, there would be scratchy foot marks all over the sill.  Falling in headfirst involves noise. 

Me thinks he had a key and went thru the front door


In houses there is a front and back door.  A burglar would unlock the other door, ready for escape in case of the owner returning unexpectedly.  In the case of an apartment, usually there is no backdoor, so a window would be opened in case needed for escape.


Only my opinion

[pegasus]

I dont know about in the other flats Pegasus, but the open part of the window in 5A is very narrow for anyone to get thru.  It is not impossible for a slim guy, but it would be quite tricky ... and unless the intruder were prepared to fall into the room headfirst, there would be scratchy foot marks all over the sill.  Falling in headfirst involves noise. 

Me thinks he had a key and went thru the front door


In houses there is a front and back door.  A burglar would unlock the other door, ready for escape in case of the owner returning unexpectedly.  In the case of an apartment, usually there is no backdoor, so a window would be opened in case needed for escape.


Only my opinion

But 5A does have doors at both ends.
If an intruder entered through the wooden door, why would he then from inside open a window which is adjacent to the wooden door?
If he heard one of the parents approaching the wooden door, that window would be a silly escape route, as he would climb out right in front of them.
He would do better to forget the window and instead go unbolt the lounge balcony door from inside - that would give him an escape route at both ends of apartment.

[sadie]

But 5A does have a "back door".
You are suggesting an intruder entered through the wooden door with a key.
If an intruder entered through the wooden door, why would he then from inside open a window which is next to the front door?
If he heard one of the parents approaching the front door, that window would be a silly escape route as he would climb out right in front of them.

I agree that 5A does have a back door, two if we include the parents patio doors.

But the fact is that historically, the parents have always used that back door (patio door) to enter the apartment.  If the abductor was in the the childrens room he had to either scramble out of the window (and unless he were tiny it would be a scramble) .... or run across the sitting room to the front door ... and be seen



However if the parents changed their normal route, and were coming via the front door, he would be able to see them coming well in advance via that open window with raised shutters. 

Altho they would be unlikely to see him, because they would be looking in the direction they were walking ... and the intruder would be out of their periferel vision ... the converse is not true. 

The parents would have been illuminated by the street lights and he would be able to see their body shapes even thru the lower twigs of the trees, walking along the footpath ... and that would have given him plenty of toime to get away thru the patio doors.

[pegasus]

I agree that 5A does have a back door, two if we include the parents patio doors.

But the fact is that historically, the parents have always used that back door (patio door) to enter the apartment.  If the abductor was in the the childrens room he had to either scramble out of the window (and unless he were tiny it would be a scramble) .... or run across the sitting room to the front door ... and be seen



However if the parents changed their normal route, and were coming via the front door, he would be able to see them coming well in advance via that open window with raised shutters. 

Altho they would be unlikely to see him, because they would be looking in the direction they were walking ... and the intruder would be out of their periferel vision ... the converse is not true. 

The parents would have been illuminated by the street lights and he would be able to see their body shapes even thru the lower twigs of the trees, walking along the footpath ... and that would have given him plenty of toime to get away thru the patio doors.

But how would he know the lounge balcony door was unlocked?

[sadie]

But how would he know the lounge balcony door was unlocked?

They were being watched imo Pegasus

[pegasus]

They were being watched imo Pegasus

If you have perps watching continuously the whole week night and day then why didn't they make use of the long check gap on Wednesday night?

[misty]

If you have perps watching continuously the whole week night and day then why didn't they make use of the long check gap on Wednesday night?

I think they did try on the Wednesday night & scarpered when the children cried.

[Eleanor]

If you have perps watching continuously the whole week night and day then why didn't they make use of the long check gap on Wednesday night?

There has a suggestion that someone did try on the Wednesday night.  Not sure of the details though.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Lol at duty of care for guests... I mean what about the parents duty of care...oh thats right  they didn't have one either.
But it's good to lamp others with the blame- everyone else's fault!

[pathfinder73]

I think they did try on the Wednesday night & scarpered when the children cried.

So that would be the crying Rachel never heard next door? Her bedroom was next to the kids room. But Fenn heard it upstairs on TUE.

[sadie]

I know that 'abduction' ain't wot 'appened.

I know that.

Were you one of them?  Were you there?



Or are you psychic

or ... creating myths?

[Brietta]

A former Mark Warner nanny, Charlotte Pennington, said she was told about reports of a man hanging around the resort when she started work at the Ocean Club this year.

She said: "I did know that a complaint had been made. We were told about it when we arrived.

"We were told we shouldn't walk around by ourselves, and that we should lock our apartments because there had been some break-ins. They told us not to tell the guests."

Mark Warner refused to comment because of the ongoing police investigation.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-490691/Madeleine-Nanny-caught-stranger-hiding-outside-apartment-disappeared.html


Seems MW did know about the level of criminality occurring in PDL ... must have been discrete security measures they could have put in place to safeguard their guests.

For example, special arrangements were made to allow the McCann party to book their table as they did; it was known they had left their children in the apartment; if staff were warned about the dangers of strangers hanging around would it not have been a good idea to tip the wink especially to holidaymakers who were running a listening service for their children and who tragically felt it was safe to do so.

[John]

Oh John, you do make me laugh. Where do you get your info from?

Mrs Fenn was only out in the day on the Wednesday.

She did not have anything to report for the 2nd May, because she was only home at night.

When do you think Mrs Fenn had time on the Thursday to complain to Baptista. Her niece was there that day and took her out for lunch, getting back at 3.30 pm, and staying till 6.30. Baptista wasn't at work at that time.



What I don't understand is if she was so concerned on the Tuesday night, why didn't she phone the Tapas bar?
She rang her friend Edna and also according to what Murat told GNR Officer she rang him.

I don't believe for one minute someone of her age would sit and listen and time how long
a child was crying, without doing something about it.

Which part of  "she was only home at night" don't you understand DCI?  Mrs Fenn was out all day and evening with her friend Edna Glyn, a friend whom some try to say doesn't even exist but we all know why this particular myth has been spawned don't we?

The Wednesday night was the night of the extended boozing session across at the tapas bar too if I recall correctly, a session which extended beyond midnight. And also the night when Kate chose to sleep in the children's room and not with Gerry.

Wasn't it the next morning when little Madeleine complained about being left alone and her and Sean crying?  No wonder Mrs Fenn didn't hear that episode because she was AWAY FROM HOME!

[pathfinder73]

Which part of  "she was only home at night" don't you understand DCI?  Mrs Fenn was out all day and evening with her friend Edna Glyn, a friend whom some try to say doesn't even exist but we all know why this particular myth has been spawned don't we?

The Wednesday night was the night of the extended boozing session across at the tapas bar too if I recall correctly, a session which extended beyond midnight. And also the night when Kate chose to sleep in the children's room and not with Gerry.

Wasn't it the next morning when little Madeleine complained about being left alone and her and Sean crying?  No wonder Mrs Fenn didn't hear that episode because she was AWAY FROM HOME!

Neither did Rachel and she was on the other side of the wall to the kids room. Crying was on TUE. Stain appeared on WED. Child gone THUR.