Jose Carlos Fernandes da Silva, Driver

[stephen25000]

It's too bad that residents of Praia da Luz with minor misdemeanors to their name  couldn't make phonecalls on 3/4 May 2007 without now seven years later being considered as child abductors. Have investigators so little to go on that they now resolve to destroy other lives with this nonsense in order to justify their own existence?  The question must be asked as to why has this all been made public?

Right on the mark.

[sadie]

It's too bad that residents of Praia da Luz with minor misdemeanors to their name  couldn't make phonecalls on 3/4 May 2007 without now seven years later being considered as child abductors. Have investigators so little to go on that they now resolve to destroy other lives with this nonsense in order to justify their own existence?  The question must be asked as to why has this all been made public?

I am sorry Admin, but if someone is a burglar they are a criminal and should be treated as such by Police. 
-  In an abduction 'getting in' quietly is one of the skills used.
-  Having the courage / audacity to do so is another 'skill'.  Most men wouldn't dare to enter a property that was locked. 
-  Another is the mindset that it is OK to steal things. 
-  The relevant phone pings make four of the criteria and .....
-  in depth knowledge of the place and surrounding area, make five

SY probably have other pointers.   
Certain friends, something like that?    Dunno what, but probably other clues..


Are you seriously suggesting that SY should NOT investigate such a man?   

He may be totally innocent of any involvement with Madeleine, but he should surely be looked at thoroughly


Just why should SY ignore this man especially as he is used to entering properties illegally..... and had phone pings that tied up. 

Please give sound reasons for not investigating him..

[Admin]

I am sorry Admin, but if someone is a burglar they are a criminal and should be treated as such by Police. 
-  In an abduction 'getting in' quietly is one of the skills used.
-  Having the courage / audacity to do so is another 'skill'.  Most men wouldn't dare to enter a property that was locked. 
-  Another is the mindset that it is OK to steal things. 
-  The relevant phone pings make four of the criteria and .....
-  in depth knowledge of the place and surrounding area, make five

SY probably have other pointers.   
Certain friends, something like that?    Dunno what, but probably other clues..


Are you seriously suggesting that SY should NOT investigate such a man?   

He may be totally innocent of any involvement with Madeleine, but he should surely be looked at thoroughly


Just why should SY ignore this man especially as he is used to entering properties illegally..... and had phone pings that tied up. 

Please give sound reasons for not investigating him..

Investigate certainly but professionally and not in the gutter press. Are you seriously suggesting that all four arguidos are guilty of child abduction?

[Benice]

It's too bad that residents of Praia da Luz with minor misdemeanors to their name  couldn't make phonecalls on 3/4 May 2007 without now seven years later being considered as child abductors. Have investigators so little to go on that they now resolve to destroy other lives with this nonsense in order to justify their own existence?  The question must be asked as to why has this all been made public?

Could you elucidate which minor misdemeanors you are referring to plz?

[Brietta]

It's too bad that residents of Praia da Luz with minor misdemeanors to their name  couldn't make phonecalls on 3/4 May 2007 without now seven years later being considered as child abductors. Have investigators so little to go on that they now resolve to destroy other lives with this nonsense in order to justify their own existence?  The question must be asked as to why has this all been made public?

This file has, 428 pages in total, and has no hand-written page numbers. It consists of a detailed analysis/report of the mobile locations of the Tapas 9 from 2007.04.28 through 2007.07.27.
It also includes detailed maps of call locations. 
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/OUSTROS_APENSOS_13_TEL.htm

If the same diligences and prolonged surveillances which were carried out on the locations and pings of the McCann party had been carried out on those individuals with a known connection to the holiday complex as well as being known petty criminals Madeleine’s case could well have had a different outcome. 

The apparently single minded concentration on Madeleine’s parents and friends is extraordinary. They should not have been the only line of inquiry; but they were, as confirmed in Dr Amaral's book.

Until Heri indicated this person should be interviewed none of the many discussions on the internet had looked beyond the Drs McCann and their group of friends. 

This is excusable for civilians without access to all the facts and no locus other than that of armchair detectives; imo it is inexcusable for an official police investigation and is an illustration of how badly Madeleine McCann was let down.

This was an obvious line of inquiry back in 2007 ... one can't fail to be appalled that it didn't happen till 2014.

[faithlilly]

It is thought Mrs Fenn's intruder let himself in with a key:

In the weeks before Madeleine disappeared Mrs Fenn scared off an intruder who had apparently let himself into her apartment with a key.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id331.html

Not that old chestnut again.

[Brietta]

Not that old chestnut again.

The offences took place in 2007 ... so they are naturally - old - chestnut or not has yet to be decided.

Burglars are sometimes not just after property and quite often there is a pattern of deliberate escalation into much more serious criminal activity involving crimes against the person. 

Someone with the temerity to invade your home should never be presumed a shrinking violet; imo he/she is a hardened criminal and Mrs Fenn's uninvited experience must have been extremely distressing for her. 

I found the following interesting, it is a PDF and I don’t know how to link directly to it, but just googling the details will get you there  -  AN EXPLORATION OF BURGLARIES COMMITTED BY SEXUAL OFFENDERS: A Thesis Presented to the Faculty of the Department of Justice Studies San Jose University: Amelie Pedneault 2010 

I downloaded it as a PDF and read it some time ago but, as said, can’t link it, however it will be seen here that the girl done good -  http://scholarworks.sjsu.edu/etd_theses/3824/

[pegasus]

This person has "furto" ("theft") handwritten next to his name in a PJ list.
Why pick on him? There are similar handwritten notes next to the names of various other people.
These are presumably the results of checks made in portuguese police records for previous convictions etc.

A**** furto (theft)
C**** preso sem carta condução (driving without licence)
C*** furto (theft)
D*****  tráfico droga (drug trafficking)
J**** furto (theft) - On Topic - this is the person discussed - see thread title - no indication was ever in 5A.
L***  tráfico (trafficking? or traffic offense?) - was in 5A a few days before.
M*****  tráfico (trafficking? or traffic offense?)
V**** burla, falsificação, tráfico (fraud, forgery, trafficking? or traffic offense?) - went to 5A soon after alarm.

Source: Vol 4 pages 850-851
(Post edited to add translations etc)

[colombosstogey]

This person has "furto" ("theft") handwritten next to his name in a PJ list.
Why pick on him? There are similar handwritten notes next to the names of various other people.
These are presumably the results of checks made in portuguese police records for previous convictions etc.

A**** furto
C**** preso sem carta condução
C*** furto
D*****  tráfico droga
J**** furto
L***  tráfico
M*****  tráfico
V**** burla, falsificação, tráfico

SY are have no idea where to go next with this. Its ludicrous that someone on the 3rd May is being linked to an abduction of a child. How many other people use their phones on the 3rd May in PDL, and how often did this guy use his phone anyway. Now IF he never used his phone then suddenly did maybe it can be deemed a bit odd but....

Now i have read that SY are now looking at the theory that a childless couple took her, I mean really? I have given up on the case to be honest. As they are just prancing around evidence but not actually looking in the right place, OR refuse to do so, for what reason I have no idea. Also they are quick to bring in the dogs themselves yet they refuse to believe the original dogs findings....

Its ludicrous grasping at fairys.

[jassi]

SY are have no idea where to go next with this. Its ludicrous that someone on the 3rd May is being linked to an abduction of a child. How many other people use their phones on the 3rd May in PDL, and how often did this guy use his phone anyway. Now IF he never used his phone then suddenly did maybe it can be deemed a bit odd but....

Now i have read that SY are now looking at the theory that a childless couple took her, I mean really? I have given up on the case to be honest. As they are just prancing around evidence but not actually looking in the right place, OR refuse to do so, for what reason I have no idea. Also they are quick to bring in the dogs themselves yet they refuse to believe the original dogs findings....

Its ludicrous grasping at fairys.

They no doubt have a list of ludicrous ideas that they are slowly working their way through.

[Wonderfulspam]

They no doubt have a list of ludicrous ideas that they are slowly working their way through.

Abduction the most ludicrous, death & concealment the most likely.

[Heriberto Janosch]

There are other details, don’t know if you have been writing about. For example Bernardino, the another driver, was questioned by Polícia Judiciária, because he made a phone call on May 3, 2007, from Praia da Luz, when he lived in Lagos and he must be not at work at the time (see Vol II Pages 372-373 and Vol XV Pages 4114-4115) .

Bernardino explained later to the Express: “On that night I was asked to do some driving because the man who was supposed to do the driving did not arrive at work. I remember ringing my wife and telling her I would be late home that night.” (See http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/458798/Apartment-key-theft-cover-up-by-resort-staff-in-Madeleine-McCann-case).

The man who did not go to work was Jose Carlos (see Vol III Pages 679-680). There is no mention of his absence in the PJ files, neither Jose Carlos mentioned it nor any Ocean Club manager mentioned it.

[sadie]

There are other details, don’t know if you have been writing about. For example Bernardino, the another driver, was questioned by Polícia Judiciária, because he made a phone call on May 3, 2007, from Praia da Luz, when he lived in Lagos and he must be not at work at the time (see Vol II Pages 372-373 and Vol XV Pages 4114-4115) .

Bernardino explained later to the Express: “On that night I was asked to do some driving because the man who was supposed to do the driving did not arrive at work. I remember ringing my wife and telling her I would be late home that night.” (See http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/458798/Apartment-key-theft-cover-up-by-resort-staff-in-Madeleine-McCann-case).


The man who did not go to work was Jose Carlos (see Vol III Pages 679-680). There is no mention of his absence in the PJ files, neither Jose Carlos mentioned it nor any Ocean Club manager mentioned it.

 

Very well spotted Heri.

So we have another fact there to add to the list I suggested a couple of pages back. 
This list was formed to show SY's possible reasons for wanting to seriously interview certain Arguidos


If someone is a burglar they are a criminal and should be treated as such by Police. 
-  In an abduction 'getting in' quietly is one of the skills used.
-  Having the courage / audacity to do so is another 'skill'.  Most men wouldn't dare to enter a property that was locked. 
-  Another is the mindset that it is OK to steal things. 
-  The relevant phone pings make four of the criteria and .....
-  in depth knowledge of the place and surrounding area, make five


And, of course, we dont know, but maybe certain of the Arguido men may look like the images that we have been provided of Smithman.  Maybe Fernandes himself does?  We just dont know.

SY probably have other pointers.   
Certain friends, something like that?    Dunno what, but probably other clues..

[slartibartfast]

Very well spotted Heri.

So we have another fact there to add to the list I suggested a couple of pages back


If someone is a burglar they are a criminal and should be treated as such by Police. 
-  In an abduction 'getting in' quietly is one of the skills used.
-  Having the courage / audacity to do so is another 'skill'.  Most men wouldn't dare to enter a property that was locked. 
-  Another is the mindset that it is OK to steal things. 
-  The relevant phone pings make four of the criteria and .....
-  in depth knowledge of the place and surrounding area, make five


And, of course, we dont know, but maybe certain of the Arguido men may look like the images that we have been provided of Smithman.  Maybe Fernandes himself does?  We just dont know.

SY probably have other pointers.   
Certain friends, something like that?    Dunno what, but probably other clues..

Yup, we know how being one of the usual suspects makes for good justice.

[sadie]

Yup, we know how being one of the usual suspects makes for good justice.

All Heri and I have done is list reasons why SY might want to seriously interview certain arguidos.  I started the list in response to peeps on here saying that SY should NOT be seriously looked at him / them.  They were clearly wrong cos a number of possible pointers, but these pointers alone prove NOTHING.   


Absolutely no proof of anything that we know of anyhow.  If they are to find the abductor they must interview peeps with such possible pointers, even if to eliminate them

I feel sure you would agree with that Slarti ?