Author Topic: In the UK what constitutes a libel? Any takers?  (Read 12731 times)

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: In the UK what constitutes a libel? Any takers?
« Reply #45 on: July 13, 2014, 03:39:54 PM »
Why worry about all the financial information then?

why should amaral profit from a libellous book

ferryman

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Re: In the UK what constitutes a libel? Any takers?
« Reply #46 on: July 13, 2014, 03:42:13 PM »
Do you think the McCanns would be happy if they won their case but were awarded, say 1 euro?

I don't know what Dave's answer to that would be, but I think the McCanns would welcome a definitive judicial statement that Amaral's book is a work of fiction, lies and defamation more than they would a sizable monetary settlement.

In many ways (I think) there would be a delicious irony in Amaral waltzing into the sunset clutching a sizable proportion of his ill-gotten-gains.

Amaral would be seen to have kept hold of what he cares about most (his cash) while having surrendered all his principles (on the extremely generous assumption that he had any principles in the first place) ...

Alfred R Jones

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Re: In the UK what constitutes a libel? Any takers?
« Reply #47 on: July 13, 2014, 03:43:23 PM »
Do you think the McCanns would be happy if they won their case but were awarded, say 1 euro?
I would think they would be quite happy with that outcome, yes, provided the rest of Amaral's assets made off the back of their daughter were used to pay his court fees and not to buy himself another diamond earring. 

stephen25000

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Re: In the UK what constitutes a libel? Any takers?
« Reply #48 on: July 13, 2014, 03:46:48 PM »
I would think they would be quite happy with that outcome, yes, provided the rest of Amaral's assets made off the back of their daughter were used to pay his court fees and not to buy himself another diamond earring.

What a pathetic comment.

The rank hypocrisy of criticizing Amaral, for something they have done themselves.

...and as a brief reminder the mccanns aren't 'searching', SY are supposed to be 'searching', so what is the point of the fund ?

Offline John

Re: In the UK what constitutes a libel? Any takers?
« Reply #49 on: July 16, 2014, 02:57:24 AM »
Back on topic, according to the McCann's English libel lawyers Carter Ruck...


There are three main defences available to a defendant in a libel action; namely, justification, fair comment and privilege.

 1) Justification

 The defence of justification, or truth, is a complete defence to a libel action. The onus is on the defendant to prove that the allegations are true.

 Whilst the defendant does not, necessarily, have to prove the truth of each and every fact, he does have to prove the truth of the substance of the allegation, the defamatory 'sting'.

 Even if a defendant is unable or unwilling to prove that the allegations are substantially true, he may nonetheless be able to defend the claim if he can show that it was fair comment or protected by privilege.

 2) Honest comment

 The defence of honest comment (formerly known as 'fair comment' until the Supreme Court judgment of Joseph v Spiller [2010] UKSC 53) applies only to expressions of opinion, rather than to statements of fact.

 A restaurant or theatre review is a classic example of a publication which may be protected by honest comment, although this defence may apply in a variety of different situations.

 To succeed in the defence of honest comment the defendant must show that the comment:

* is on a matter of public interest;
* is recognisable as comment, as distinct from an allegation of fact;
* is based on facts which are true (or protected by the defence of privilege);
* is on a matter which has been expressly or implicitly put before the public for judgment, or is otherwise on a matter with * * which the public has a legitimate concern; and
* must explicitly or implicitly indicate, at least in general terms, the facts on which it is based (i.e. what it is that has led the commentator to make the comment). Previously, the facts had to be identified sufficiently so as to enable the reader to judge for himself how far the comment was well founded, but following Joseph v Spiller this is no longer the case.

If the claimant can show that the comment was actuated by malice (meaning that the defendant was not expressing his genuine opinion) the defence of honest comment will be defeated. It is not enough, however, to show that the comment was prejudiced, exaggerated or 'unfair' so in practice it can be difficult to prove that the commentator acted 'maliciously'.

www.carter-ruck.com/Media%20Law/Questions_And_Answers.asp

« Last Edit: July 16, 2014, 03:00:13 AM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

ferryman

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Re: In the UK what constitutes a libel? Any takers?
« Reply #50 on: July 16, 2014, 06:40:18 AM »
So if someone posts that Suspectman is guilty as hell and adds "in my opinion" then according to English Law that does not constitute a libel?

Not read the rest of the thread.

But wrong.

ferryman

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Re: In the UK what constitutes a libel? Any takers?
« Reply #51 on: July 16, 2014, 06:45:25 AM »
Oops.

Amnesia.

I had read the rest of the thread, but had just forgotten about it ...

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: In the UK what constitutes a libel? Any takers?
« Reply #52 on: July 16, 2014, 02:16:19 PM »
both the express and Bennett libelled the mccanns...the fact they both settled out of court is meaningless

Mr Bennett's most serious transgression was contempt of court.
In the McCann's position I too would have taken him back to court. There is little point in obtaining a judgement that one party will not observe and the other party will not enforce.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline John

Re: In the UK what constitutes a libel? Any takers?
« Reply #53 on: July 16, 2014, 03:14:38 PM »
Clearly there is a defense against an action of libel.

The defence of honest comment applies only to expressions of opinion, rather than to statements of fact.

 To succeed in the defence of honest comment the defendant must show that the comment:

* is on a matter of public interest;
* is recognisable as comment, as distinct from an allegation of fact;

A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Carana

Re: In the UK what constitutes a libel? Any takers?
« Reply #54 on: July 16, 2014, 03:20:32 PM »
Clearly there is a defense against an action of libel.

The defence of honest comment applies only to expressions of opinion, rather than to statements of fact.

 To succeed in the defence of honest comment the defendant must show that the comment:

* is on a matter of public interest;
* is recognisable as comment, as distinct from an allegation of fact;

What are we discussing? UK or PT libel law?

Offline John

Re: In the UK what constitutes a libel? Any takers?
« Reply #55 on: July 16, 2014, 03:31:52 PM »
What are we discussing? UK or PT libel law?

This thread relates to UK libel law.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Carana

Re: In the UK what constitutes a libel? Any takers?
« Reply #56 on: July 16, 2014, 03:39:45 PM »
This thread relates to UK libel law.

Ah, ok. That isn't clear from the title, which currently is: Re: So what constitutes a libel? Any takers?

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: In the UK what constitutes a libel? Any takers?
« Reply #57 on: July 16, 2014, 04:20:39 PM »
Topic: So what constitutes a libel? Any takers?

Would this not be defined in The Defamation Act of 2013?
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: In the UK what constitutes a libel? Any takers?
« Reply #58 on: July 16, 2014, 04:49:02 PM »
Alas I have broken a forum rule and did not provide a link.
I crave forgiveness from the Higher Authorities.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2013/26/contents/enacted
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Mr Gray

Re: In the UK what constitutes a libel? Any takers?
« Reply #59 on: July 16, 2014, 05:20:26 PM »
Mr Bennett's most serious transgression was contempt of court.
In the McCann's position I too would have taken him back to court. There is little point in obtaining a judgement that one party will not observe and the other party will not enforce.

his comtempt of court was to  repeat libel. there would have been no court order had he not committed libel in the first place