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Alfred R Jones

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Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #765 on: September 24, 2014, 05:14:20 PM »
I've just finished the book.  I found it to be fair, factual and objective but ultimately a disappointment because it didn't really reveal anything we didn't already know.  The authors by their own admission had their hands somewhat tied by the on-going investigation and I agree with those who have said it would have been better to hold off publication until after the investigation is completed, so that interviews with the key protagonists could have taken place. I hope the authors do re-visit the case as and when the case has been solved or closed as I think they will do a great job tying everything together.  In the meantime there is no doubt that this book is the most definitive, unbiased book currently available about the disappearance of Madeleine.

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Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #766 on: September 24, 2014, 05:28:36 PM »
I've just finished the book.  I found it to be fair, factual and objective but ultimately a disappointment because it didn't really reveal anything we didn't already know.  The authors by their own admission had their hands somewhat tied by the on-going investigation and I agree with those who have said it would have been better to hold off publication until after the investigation is completed, so that interviews with the key protagonists could have taken place. I hope the authors do re-visit the case as and when the case has been solved or closed as I think they will do a great job tying everything together.  In the meantime there is no doubt that this book is the most definitive, unbiased book currently available about the disappearance of Madeleine.

I thought I would find it strange to be reading a book about which I already knew much of the source material; but I didn’t and I found my interest was maintained from first to last so I would say from that it is well written.

I disagree that they should have waited, although obviously it would have enhanced their writing. 

I think this is the optimum time to inform and remind people of the case who are not as well informed on the subject matter as we.

Unfortunately I can see this investigation perhaps stretching beyond the General Election and there will be people making a lot of noise to try to derail what the Met are doing. 
I think reference to the information contained in this book by a wider audience can perhaps help to circumvent that.

Agree with everything else though.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #767 on: September 24, 2014, 05:40:38 PM »
I thought I would find it strange to be reading a book about which I already knew much of the source material; but I didn’t and I found my interest was maintained from first to last so I would say from that it is well written.

I disagree that they should have waited, although obviously it would have enhanced their writing. 

I think this is the optimum time to inform and remind people of the case who are not as well informed on the subject matter as we.

Unfortunately I can see this investigation perhaps stretching beyond the General Election and there will be people making a lot of noise to try to derail what the Met are doing. 
I think reference to the information contained in this book by a wider audience can perhaps help to circumvent that.

Agree with everything else though.
Well-written definitely.  Still waiting for a list from a "sceptic" of all the disingenuous and misleading and factually incorrect information contained in it!

Offline Montclair

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #768 on: September 24, 2014, 06:31:57 PM »
Grime knew he would shortly be turning freelance...same argument applies. The only nonsense is that some believe that the alerts confirm a dead body previously in 5a

The only nonsense is that someone would not believe that the dog alerted to the presence of a cadaver! What's the use of training dogs to alert to cadaver odour if people are not going to believe them? I am sure that you have always thought that these dogs were wonderful until their alerts pointed to the McCanns.

stephen25000

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Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #769 on: September 24, 2014, 06:40:35 PM »
It is quite fascinating to observe the rampant support of a book which has found nothing new, merely rehashes old files, and selectively uses information to support the 'abduction' thesis.

..and let's not forget it is there to make money, and how often is that charge thrown at Amaral by the mccann supporters, but of course they excuse their heroes the mccanns for doing exactly the same thing.

So the hypocrisy of team mccann and their devout followers is absolute.

However, this time the book sales are deservedly where they belong in the dustbin, and inevitably going to the 99p shop.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #770 on: September 24, 2014, 07:26:43 PM »
The only nonsense is that someone would not believe that the dog alerted to the presence of a cadaver! What's the use of training dogs to alert to cadaver odour if people are not going to believe them? I am sure that you have always thought that these dogs were wonderful until their alerts pointed to the McCanns.

I think the dogs are incredible...the alerts do not point at the mccanns

stephen25000

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Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #771 on: September 24, 2014, 07:38:02 PM »
I think the dogs are incredible...the alerts do not point at the mccanns

The dogs INDICATIONS do not discount the presence of a body.

The forensics were inconclusive,no more no less.

There is nothing on the table other than this.

FACT.

Offline Brietta

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #772 on: September 24, 2014, 07:57:35 PM »
The dogs INDICATIONS do not discount the presence of a body.

The forensics were inconclusive,no more no less.

There is nothing on the table other than this.

FACT.

Hmmm ... still not read the book so nothing to say about it yet except more deflection.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #773 on: September 24, 2014, 08:01:02 PM »
The dogs INDICATIONS do not discount the presence of a body.

The forensics were inconclusive,no more no less.

There is nothing on the table other than this.

FACT.

when will you realise its whats found that's important ..not what is not found. Your post shows just how little you understand how we use evidence to reach conclusions

stephen25000

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Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #774 on: September 24, 2014, 08:14:25 PM »
when will you realise its whats found that's important ..not what is not found. Your post shows just how little you understand how we use evidence to reach conclusions

What you don't get, no matter how many times you are told, along with your fellows, is that there is NOTHING top prove there was anyone else in the apartment, but the mccanns or their associates.

The rest is just hot air.

stephen25000

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Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #775 on: September 24, 2014, 09:22:39 PM »
The Summers and Swan book is pure hyperbole and going absolutely nowhere, just like the SY investigation.
« Last Edit: September 28, 2014, 04:22:01 AM by John »

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« Reply #776 on: September 24, 2014, 10:08:57 PM »
The Summers and Swan book is pure hyperbole and going absolutely nowhere, just like the SY investigation.

And you are pleased that our money may be going down the drain with the investigation, which you say is going nowhere? as is the money that should have been earned by these authors ……What have they ever done to harm you?
  I don’t understand all the vile comments being made about these authors……………….It’s just a book, after all …..You can take it or leave it.
« Last Edit: September 28, 2014, 04:22:20 AM by John »
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline faithlilly

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« Reply #777 on: September 24, 2014, 10:20:09 PM »
And you are pleased that our money may be going down the drain with the investigation, which you say is going nowhere? as is the money that should have been earned by these authors ……What have they ever done to harm you?
  I don’t understand all the vile comments being made about these authors……………….It’s just a book, after all …..You can take it or leave it.

Anna do you feel that if the authors have nothing new to say it is ethical to be making money from the misfortune of a small child ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #778 on: September 24, 2014, 10:51:08 PM »
Anna do you feel that if the authors have nothing new to say it is ethical to be making money from the misfortune of a small child ?
To a lot of people who do not spend most of the day on the net following the case..including me...the book brings a lot of new information...no one criticised them for making money out of the death of Kennedy. You are just really angry that two authors who you respected support the mccanns

Offline faithlilly

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #779 on: September 24, 2014, 11:03:45 PM »
To a lot of people who do not spend most of the day on the net following the case..including me...the book brings a lot of new information...no one criticised them for making money out of the death of Kennedy. You are just really angry that two authors who you respected support the mccanns

More disappointed than angry Davel but not that the authors support the McCanns but that they have shown utter contempt not only for their readers but for the fate of a small child.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?