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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #240 on: September 09, 2014, 07:32:52 AM »
You can't show any proof dave, because you weren't in  Portugal, at the time of Madeleine's disappearance, were you ?

All you have is the accounts of the mccanns and associates, and the truth of their accounts has yet to be tested in a court of law. 8((()*/

What a great idea you have...everyone who was not in Portugal stop posting...should make for some very interesting discussions

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #241 on: September 09, 2014, 07:54:56 AM »
My correspondence with Mr Summers began sometime after the final draughts of Looking for Madeleine had been submitted and my aim was never to change his mind strange as that may seem. From what I have seen the book seems to contain little fresh research, no input from the main protagonists nor, it would seem, any government body. Of course I could be wrong and Mr Summers has indeed turned up some never before seen evidence that exonerates the McCanns but somehow I doubt it.

I am surprised however that you approve of Mr Summers making money from Madeleine's plight seeing as you have long castigated any other author who has done the self same thing but I'm sure as long as the McCanns aren't seen as the guilty party you wouldn't bat an eyelid if Mr Summers had produced a Madeleine doll which pleaded ' mummy why didn't you come when Sean and I cried' when you pressed her stomach.

For all apologist's sakes I just pray that Madeleine's small body is not concealed in some lonely isolated spot, put there to hide her parent's shame because if so I don't know how you will live with yourself. I know I couldn't.
Oh for god's sake, what santimonious and offensive  twaddle.  How will YOU live with yourself when Madeleine's abductor is eventually identified, that's what I'd really like to know.  Seven plus years of organised, determined snidery - for what??

Offline Brietta

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #242 on: September 09, 2014, 09:45:17 AM »
Could Madeleine be safe and well-cared for?
In this edited extract from 'Looking for Madeleine', a new book on the McCann case, the authors analyse the theory that the three-year-old may still be alive

By Anthony Summers and Robbyn Swan

7:00AM BST 09 Sep 2014

Former Detective Inspector Ian Horrocks, who was with the Metropolitan Police for 30 years, studied Madeleine’s case over many months, visited Praia da Luz and produced a lengthy summary of his views. He theorised, drawing on his experience of kidnapping cases, that the abduction may have been done by “someone who wanted her as part of his or their family”.

Thefts of babies do occur. Typically, an infant is taken within days of his or her birth, often from hospitals. Such an abduction, studies by the US National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC) suggest, may be committed by a previously pregnant woman who has miscarried, or one who finds herself infertile, or one who has a male partner but is not living with him and wants to get him back.

In the UK, there was for a time a charity that – among its other causes – supported women who had kidnapped children. The Portia Trust’s founder, Ken Norman, claimed most such women are not mentally ill but simply “cannot accept that their child is dead or have an unbearable desire for a baby of their own. They may have spent months, even years, looking for a child that resembles the one they have lost and is of the same age.”

The very purpose of such child thefts is to nurture the child, to raise it to adulthood as if it were the woman’s own. “The babies are very rarely harmed,” a NCMEC spokesman has said. “The recovery rate is very good.”

In one case in the United States, a woman aged 23 contacted NCMEC on realising she had neither birth certificate nor Social Security card. Her case was investigated and her true biological parents identified. The parents had never given up hope that they would find their missing daughter – just as the McCanns have said they will never give up hope of finding Madeleine.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11082517/Could-Madeleine-be-safe-and-well-cared-for.html
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

stephen25000

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Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #243 on: September 09, 2014, 09:49:43 AM »
Could Madeleine be safe and well-cared for?
In this edited extract from 'Looking for Madeleine', a new book on the McCann case, the authors analyse the theory that the three-year-old may still be alive

By Anthony Summers and Robbyn Swan

7:00AM BST 09 Sep 2014

Former Detective Inspector Ian Horrocks, who was with the Metropolitan Police for 30 years, studied Madeleine’s case over many months, visited Praia da Luz and produced a lengthy summary of his views. He theorised, drawing on his experience of kidnapping cases, that the abduction may have been done by “someone who wanted her as part of his or their family”.

Thefts of babies do occur. Typically, an infant is taken within days of his or her birth, often from hospitals. Such an abduction, studies by the US National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC) suggest, may be committed by a previously pregnant woman who has miscarried, or one who finds herself infertile, or one who has a male partner but is not living with him and wants to get him back.

In the UK, there was for a time a charity that – among its other causes – supported women who had kidnapped children. The Portia Trust’s founder, Ken Norman, claimed most such women are not mentally ill but simply “cannot accept that their child is dead or have an unbearable desire for a baby of their own. They may have spent months, even years, looking for a child that resembles the one they have lost and is of the same age.”

The very purpose of such child thefts is to nurture the child, to raise it to adulthood as if it were the woman’s own. “The babies are very rarely harmed,” a NCMEC spokesman has said. “The recovery rate is very good.”

In one case in the United States, a woman aged 23 contacted NCMEC on realising she had neither birth certificate nor Social Security card. Her case was investigated and her true biological parents identified. The parents had never given up hope that they would find their missing daughter – just as the McCanns have said they will never give up hope of finding Madeleine.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11082517/Could-Madeleine-be-safe-and-well-cared-for.html

Well that shows the value of the book.

Horrocks a nobody, and paid by the sun to 'investigate'.

Abduction stated as fact, yet again. It isn't.


Offline Erngath

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #244 on: September 09, 2014, 11:50:12 AM »
I'd be interested to know how you obtained your copy of the book when it isn't published to the 11th ?


I ordered the book on the first of September and was indeed very surprised when it was delivered yesterday.
It cost ten pounds with free delivery from a well known Supermarket website.
I have no idea why it was delivered before the publication day but it was.

I won't post any details as I don't want to spoil the reading of the book for others and I am unsure of copyright rules.

However just to confirm that I do absolutely have the book...............
From the Index

Almeida, Tavares de
162-3    172    174     183

Rebello Paulo
183-4     188

Smith Martin
114     115    116-7    226    255






Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline Brietta

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #245 on: September 09, 2014, 12:47:27 PM »

I ordered the book on the first of September and was indeed very surprised when it was delivered yesterday.
It cost ten pounds with free delivery from a well known Supermarket website.
I have no idea why it was delivered before the publication day but it was.

I won't post any details as I don't want to spoil the reading of the book for others and I am unsure of copyright rules.

However just to confirm that I do absolutely have the book...............
From the Index

Almeida, Tavares de
162-3    172    174     183

Rebello Paulo
183-4     188

Smith Martin
114     115    116-7    226    255

I was anticipating a trip to town and a good browse in Waterstones so didn't bother to order mine and I am envious, Erngath.

Without giving anything away ... did they give Jane Tanner's sighting as much coverage as they have the Smith sighting?  After looking at the map posted by John on another thread, I still think there is a secluded route to the car park opposite the tapas restaurant.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #246 on: September 09, 2014, 12:47:46 PM »
Mercy me it is amusing to watch people in a lather over a book they have not read yet.
Maybe Erngath will be kind enough to quote us the last two lines from Chapter 4?
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline faithlilly

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #247 on: September 09, 2014, 04:26:53 PM »
Scathing piece on one of Summers past efforts, penned by his former colleague Tom Mangold last year.


Stephen Ward wasn't murdered. I was there

Journalism is further discredited by half-baked claims that the osteopath at the centre of the Profumo affair, was killed

Whether Andrew Lloyd Webber's musical which opens next week about the life and death of Stephen Ward succeeds or fails it is a generous gesture for the impresario to use this device as the platform to campaign for a judicial review of the conviction half a century ago of the society osteopath. It was an event which led directly to his suicide. He was at the centre of the Profumo sex and spies scandal which rocked Britain in 1963 when the War minister had an affair with the showgirl Christine Keeler who claimed to be sleeping with a London-based Russian intelligence officer Eugene Ivanov at the same time. Ward killed himself having been targeted by a vindictive state seeking a scapegoat for Profumo's behaviour; was prosecuted for crimes that it is now generally accepted he did not commit, facing evidence from witnesses who were coerced by police into lying; and pilloried by a hysterical tabloid press. Fearing contamination, most of his many "friends" deserted him, and British intelligence agencies who had been happy to use him failed to speak up for him in court. Ward was a broken man when he took an overdose of sleeping tablets while staying with one last friend in a flat in Chelsea. I know. I was with him that night.

The anniversary has been celebrated by conspiracy theorists crawling, blinking into the light to announce to stunned newspaper readers the sensational revelation that Stephen Ward "may" have been murdered by MI5. A former colleague of mine from 40 years ago, the author Anthony Summers, a man with some form when it comes to conspiracy theories, has now determined that: "One can see why it may, repeat may, have been necessary to remove Ward from the scene … this was apparently a man with dangerous knowledge … he had inside information of MI5 efforts to manipulate Ivanov and the seamy activities of Establishment figures." Summers has lent his reputation to a conspiracy theory – please don't giggle – which has an MI5 contract killer hiding in the Chelsea flat all night, then waking the drowsy Ward every few hours and inciting him to take ever increasing overdoses of the sleeping tablets which eventually killed him. The alleged killer is now conveniently dead but allegedly told a gabby friend on his deathbed…

Summers's interviews on this well publicised theory, published by two reputable national newspapers last week, brim with weasel words. "The story ends with a question mark," says Summers darkly. No it doesn't. It is junk journalism at its very worst, complete piffle, a disgrace to our trade. Believe it if you believe Lord Lucan and Elvis are living under pseudonyms in a mud hut in Uganda. We are in so many ways the first and often the last draft of history; newspaper records and their on-line spill-over really do matter. Lies and rotten journalism go viral in seconds. We really do have a clear compact with our readers, listeners and viewers to get it right. We are in enough trouble with Leveson and hacking and the shame of neurotic celebrity worship, without allowing so-called investigative journalism reaching "maybe" and "could have" conclusions without a shred of primary source evidence. And even less so when the "revelation" is tied in with a re-hashed book release.

What baffles me is that Summers did not bother to make the two simple "check your facts" phone calls, one to me and one to the other man in the flat that night, the tenant Noel Howard-Jones. They would have brought his loony-tunes theory crashing to the ground. Summers also seems to have forgotten that MI5 and MI6 don't do assassinations. Period. State-sanctioned killings, invariably against major terrorist organisations or well-armed enemies of the state, are done by others. So let me try to set the record straight with some facts.

What did happen on the night of Tuesday 30 July 1963 at Vale Court, 20 Mallord Street, Chelsea? Stephen was overnighting there with his friend Noel Howard-Jones. That evening Stephen called me in the Daily Express newsroom and asked me to come over to Mallord Street. I arrived there about 8.30pm. He was writing what I now know were his suicide notes. A friend Julie Gulliver was in the kitchen cooking dinner. Howard-Jones was out. I stayed with Stephen for several hours during which he gave me the note addressed to me, which regrettably I didn't read till later. At about 11.35pm, I left him, and he left the flat to drive Julie back to her flat in Bayswater. Howard-Jones returned a few minutes later, and was there to let Ward in on his return at about midnight before going to bed. Ward then continued writing notes including one to Howard-Jones saying "delay resuscitation as long as possible".

There was no MI5 assassin hiding in the flat when Stephen, Julie and I were there; and there was no assassin when Howard-Jones returned. So we can account for the entire evening from 8.45pm to the moment Howard-Jones found Ward unconscious on the living-room divan in the morning. We know, for certain that no MI5 murderer was hiding in the tiny flat. Even the alleged "instrument of murder" – the Nembutal sleeping tablets, were Stephen's own.

Does all this matter – half a century later? Very much so. In a democracy, a free press must be trusted. Once we break down the firewalls between truth and conspiracy theory, once we enter the wilderness of unreality, paranoid fantasy will become our guide. Yes, this stuff sells more papers than the grey truth. But that makes it no less a form of editorial pornography. Don't believe all you read in the press? Sadly true.

Tom Mangold, former senior correspondent for BBC TV's 'Panorama', covered the Profumo Affair for the Daily Express in 1963

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/stephen-ward-wasnt-murdered-i-was-there-8990737.html
« Last Edit: September 09, 2014, 05:04:12 PM by Faithlilly »
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Erngath

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #248 on: September 09, 2014, 04:56:40 PM »
I was anticipating a trip to town and a good browse in Waterstones so didn't bother to order mine and I am envious, Erngath.

Without giving anything away ... did they give Jane Tanner's sighting as much coverage as they have the Smith sighting?  After looking at the map posted by John on another thread, I still think there is a secluded route to the car park opposite the tapas restaurant.


Sorry Brietta I have only scanned the book but going by the number of pages in the index referring to Jane Tanner  and the sighting I would say there is as much coverage if not more than the Smith sighting but I would have to read the book in its entirety before being really able to make a judgement .

Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline Erngath

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #249 on: September 09, 2014, 04:59:20 PM »
Mercy me it is amusing to watch people in a lather over a book they have not read yet.
Maybe Erngath will be kind enough to quote us the last two lines from Chapter 4?

Can I ask why you wish me to quote the last two lines of Chapter 4?
Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #250 on: September 09, 2014, 05:41:40 PM »
Can I ask why you wish me to quote the last two lines of Chapter 4?

Idle curiosity on my part.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #251 on: September 09, 2014, 06:21:23 PM »
Scathing piece on one of Summers past efforts, penned by his former colleague Tom Mangold last year.


Stephen Ward wasn't murdered. I was there

Journalism is further discredited by half-baked claims that the osteopath at the centre of the Profumo affair, was killed

Whether Andrew Lloyd Webber's musical which opens next week about the life and death of Stephen Ward succeeds or fails it is a generous gesture for the impresario to use this device as the platform to campaign for a judicial review of the conviction half a century ago of the society osteopath. It was an event which led directly to his suicide. He was at the centre of the Profumo sex and spies scandal which rocked Britain in 1963 when the War minister had an affair with the showgirl Christine Keeler who claimed to be sleeping with a London-based Russian intelligence officer Eugene Ivanov at the same time. Ward killed himself having been targeted by a vindictive state seeking a scapegoat for Profumo's behaviour; was prosecuted for crimes that it is now generally accepted he did not commit, facing evidence from witnesses who were coerced by police into lying; and pilloried by a hysterical tabloid press. Fearing contamination, most of his many "friends" deserted him, and British intelligence agencies who had been happy to use him failed to speak up for him in court. Ward was a broken man when he took an overdose of sleeping tablets while staying with one last friend in a flat in Chelsea. I know. I was with him that night.

The anniversary has been celebrated by conspiracy theorists crawling, blinking into the light to announce to stunned newspaper readers the sensational revelation that Stephen Ward "may" have been murdered by MI5. A former colleague of mine from 40 years ago, the author Anthony Summers, a man with some form when it comes to conspiracy theories, has now determined that: "One can see why it may, repeat may, have been necessary to remove Ward from the scene … this was apparently a man with dangerous knowledge … he had inside information of MI5 efforts to manipulate Ivanov and the seamy activities of Establishment figures." Summers has lent his reputation to a conspiracy theory – please don't giggle – which has an MI5 contract killer hiding in the Chelsea flat all night, then waking the drowsy Ward every few hours and inciting him to take ever increasing overdoses of the sleeping tablets which eventually killed him. The alleged killer is now conveniently dead but allegedly told a gabby friend on his deathbed…

Summers's interviews on this well publicised theory, published by two reputable national newspapers last week, brim with weasel words. "The story ends with a question mark," says Summers darkly. No it doesn't. It is junk journalism at its very worst, complete piffle, a disgrace to our trade. Believe it if you believe Lord Lucan and Elvis are living under pseudonyms in a mud hut in Uganda. We are in so many ways the first and often the last draft of history; newspaper records and their on-line spill-over really do matter. Lies and rotten journalism go viral in seconds. We really do have a clear compact with our readers, listeners and viewers to get it right. We are in enough trouble with Leveson and hacking and the shame of neurotic celebrity worship, without allowing so-called investigative journalism reaching "maybe" and "could have" conclusions without a shred of primary source evidence. And even less so when the "revelation" is tied in with a re-hashed book release.

What baffles me is that Summers did not bother to make the two simple "check your facts" phone calls, one to me and one to the other man in the flat that night, the tenant Noel Howard-Jones. They would have brought his loony-tunes theory crashing to the ground. Summers also seems to have forgotten that MI5 and MI6 don't do assassinations. Period. State-sanctioned killings, invariably against major terrorist organisations or well-armed enemies of the state, are done by others. So let me try to set the record straight with some facts.

What did happen on the night of Tuesday 30 July 1963 at Vale Court, 20 Mallord Street, Chelsea? Stephen was overnighting there with his friend Noel Howard-Jones. That evening Stephen called me in the Daily Express newsroom and asked me to come over to Mallord Street. I arrived there about 8.30pm. He was writing what I now know were his suicide notes. A friend Julie Gulliver was in the kitchen cooking dinner. Howard-Jones was out. I stayed with Stephen for several hours during which he gave me the note addressed to me, which regrettably I didn't read till later. At about 11.35pm, I left him, and he left the flat to drive Julie back to her flat in Bayswater. Howard-Jones returned a few minutes later, and was there to let Ward in on his return at about midnight before going to bed. Ward then continued writing notes including one to Howard-Jones saying "delay resuscitation as long as possible".

There was no MI5 assassin hiding in the flat when Stephen, Julie and I were there; and there was no assassin when Howard-Jones returned. So we can account for the entire evening from 8.45pm to the moment Howard-Jones found Ward unconscious on the living-room divan in the morning. We know, for certain that no MI5 murderer was hiding in the tiny flat. Even the alleged "instrument of murder" – the Nembutal sleeping tablets, were Stephen's own.

Does all this matter – half a century later? Very much so. In a democracy, a free press must be trusted. Once we break down the firewalls between truth and conspiracy theory, once we enter the wilderness of unreality, paranoid fantasy will become our guide. Yes, this stuff sells more papers than the grey truth. But that makes it no less a form of editorial pornography. Don't believe all you read in the press? Sadly true.

Tom Mangold, former senior correspondent for BBC TV's 'Panorama', covered the Profumo Affair for the Daily Express in 1963

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/stephen-ward-wasnt-murdered-i-was-there-8990737.html

You really are desperate to denigrate the book. I haven't noticed any criticism of amarals book which is filled with falsehoods and written by a convicted perjuror...Is this a sign that your opinions are as biased as a one sided bowling ball

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #252 on: September 09, 2014, 06:24:27 PM »
I'm looking forward to reading their analysis of the conspiracy theories surrounding the case, as well as their comments about the online campaign against the parents.

I'm looking forward to reading the comments on Amazon contradicting the book and blaming the parents. Should be a few about short sleeved pyjamas being an obvious sign of guilt.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #253 on: September 09, 2014, 06:27:16 PM »
From reviews of Mr Summers books by colleagues and members of the public two main gripes seems to be levelled at him again and again and that is that he relies heavily on investigative work done by others and conducts little fresh research himself and that the research that he does do rarely includes talking to the major players in the cases he is investigating.

I'm afraid if the extracts that have already been published are indicative of the contents of Looking for Madeleine as a whole he doesn't seem to have changed his MO  which is not only disappointing for the reader but will do nothing to enhance Mr Summers reputation.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #254 on: September 09, 2014, 06:34:57 PM »
I'm looking forward to reading the comments on Amazon contradicting the book and blaming the parents. Should be a few about short sleeved pyjamas being an obvious sign of guilt.
Summers and Swan are braced for a plethora of one star reviews on the day of publication, most from people who have neither read the book, nor plan to buy it, of that I'm sure.