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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #300 on: September 11, 2014, 09:52:26 AM »
We shall see in the long term on that,and not just on the first few days.

I've been handed another of Summer's books, which I will read shortly.

Also, reviews of other books by the same authors are available on Amazon.

Quite revealing.

As to the book on amazon................

1 Used from £14.16 13 New from £10.00 ...........


P.S. It will be interesting to read the reviews on this book.

I won't be reading the book

stephen25000

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Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #301 on: September 11, 2014, 09:57:06 AM »
I won't be reading the book


That was my presumption.

I wonder if any other books on the case will be forthcoming  which do not accord with the abduction theory, and if so would they be Carter-Rucked ?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #302 on: September 11, 2014, 10:00:43 AM »

That was my presumption.

I wonder if any other books on the case will be forthcoming  which do not accord with the abduction theory, and if so would they be Carter-Rucked ?

Quite simply any book that made a claim that was defamatory to the mccanns that could not be supported by evidence would be libellous...so if someone wants to write abook accusing the mccans of criminal activities with no evidence to support their ideas..it would be libellous

stephen25000

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Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #303 on: September 11, 2014, 10:06:39 AM »
Quite simply any book that made a claim that was defamatory to the mccanns that could not be supported by evidence would be libellous...so if someone wants to write abook accusing the mccans of criminal activities with no evidence to support their ideas..it would be libellous

Yet books are allowed where no evidence of 'abduction' actually exists, other than supposition.

No link has been proved with a paedophile.

No link has been proved to a burglary.

However, it would be interesting to have a book where all theories are examined , and then the reader can make up their own mind.

Do you agree on the latter point dave ?

I know you won't agree on the first two.

Offline Brietta

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #304 on: September 11, 2014, 10:42:23 AM »
Yet books are allowed where no evidence of 'abduction' actually exists, other than supposition.

No link has been proved with a paedophile.

No link has been proved to a burglary.

However, it would be interesting to have a book where all theories are examined , and then the reader can make up their own mind.

Do you agree on the latter point dave ?

I know you won't agree on the first two.

I think the main value of the Summers and Swan book will be in redressing the balance between a lot of supposition held as irrefutable and facts which can be backed up with the available evidence.

I doubt if there are any great revelations within its covers; I think if there are any to come that will be the province of the current police investigation of which we don’t know a great deal.

You say that links have not been proved with a paedophile abductor nor with burglary. 

That nothing was proved in any way was surely a reflection on the course pursued by the initial investigation. 

For example, can you give me a link to any reference to a burglar or attempted burglary in the PJ files? 

I’m not going to ask for a link to the home invasions in which the children of British holidaymakers were targeted by a sexual deviant … because I know there isn’t one.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline faithlilly

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #305 on: September 11, 2014, 10:51:45 AM »
It is obvious that the supporters see the fact that the authors of this book exonerate' the McCanns of guilt as some kind of victory against sceptics, it isn't.


The book simply does what just about every newspaper article since the McCanns sued the Express has tried to do which is to try to tie up unconnected events to form a believable narrative. Unfortunately the pudding has seriously been over-egged ( over 25,000 sceptical members in one Facebook group proves this ).

If the authors think that readers will not realise that the book is merely some very, very old tabloid cold cuts heated up to make ( Summers/Swann hope ) a tasty meal they are sadly mistaken.

While the McCanns have enough money in the fund to engage CR there will never be a truly objective book on this case but on the plus side even if there is a thousand books written which attempts to strip the McCanns of guilt, the taint will remain. They may metaphorically wash the McCann's hands a thousand times but like two latter day Lady Macbeth's the spot will still remain, and rightly so.




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Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #306 on: September 11, 2014, 12:11:23 PM »
Authors on sky news and you don't think it will sell well...poor judgement...you will be proved wrong

That is hardly surprising if you read the authors Acknowledgements section of the book.
Snip>>>>>
"Researcher Marta Simons rose to the Challenge in Portugal eventually juggling both our demands and those of Sky News"
Snip>>>>>
Martin Brunt Sky News excellent crime reporter lent an ear and gave advice"
Snip>>>>
"Sky's weather forecaster Jo Wheeler .......
Snip>>>>
Not that there were not other acknowledgements of course the BBC included but with the acknowledgements quoted it would be a surprise were the authors not on Sky.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #307 on: September 11, 2014, 12:13:49 PM »
That is hardly surprising if you read the authors Acknowledgements section of the book.
Snip>>>>>
"Researcher Marta Simons rose to the Challenge in Portugal eventually juggling both our demands and those of Sky News"
Snip>>>>>
Martin Brunt Sky News excellent crime reporter lent an ear and gave advice"
Snip>>>>
"Sky's weather forecaster Jo Wheeler .......
Snip>>>>
Not that there were not other acknowledgements of course the BBC included but with the acknowledgements quoted it would be a surprise were the authors not on Sky.

Another trying to discredit the book...it supports the mccanns and taht's what you and others can't stand. Stephen thinks it won't sell well...I think he will be proved wrong

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #308 on: September 11, 2014, 12:30:59 PM »
Another trying to discredit the book...it supports the mccanns and taht's what you and others can't stand. Stephen thinks it won't sell well...I think he will be proved wrong

Gosh you are in a lather.

I am merely quoting from the books acknowledgements section. Prove to the forum that the quotations and their source is incorrect if you can. There is an interesting "Authors Note" which I am sure one of "The Posh Street Kids" will provide you with.
Otherwise you will, with your inimitable puddled thinking, suggest I am knocking the book merely by quoting what is in it.
The book as far as I have read it does not overtly support the McCanns and again as far as I have read it, which I freely admit is only up to chapter 4, is anecdotal.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #309 on: September 11, 2014, 12:33:53 PM »
Gosh you are in a lather.

I am merely quoting from the books acknowledgements section. Prove to the forum that the quotations and their source is incorrect if you can. There is an interesting "Authors Note" which I am sure one of "The Posh Street Kids" will provide you with.
Otherwise you will, with your inimitable puddled thinking, suggest I am knocking the book merely by quoting what is in it.
The book as far as I have read it does not overtly support the McCanns and again as far as I have read it, which I freely admit is only up to chapter 4, is anecdotal.

It supports the mccanns non criminal involvement...tahts pretty overt

stephen25000

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Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #310 on: September 11, 2014, 12:41:55 PM »
I think the main value of the Summers and Swan book will be in redressing the balance between a lot of supposition held as irrefutable and facts which can be backed up with the available evidence.

I doubt if there are any great revelations within its covers; I think if there are any to come that will be the province of the current police investigation of which we don’t know a great deal.

You say that links have not been proved with a paedophile abductor nor with burglary. 

That nothing was proved in any way was surely a reflection on the course pursued by the initial investigation. 

For example, can you give me a link to any reference to a burglar or attempted burglary in the PJ files? 

I’m not going to ask for a link to the home invasions in which the children of British holidaymakers were targeted by a sexual deviant … because I know there isn’t one.


The only 'book' which would be equatable, would be where all the scenarios  are examined.

What I have been told of this book so far, it fails to do that.

A brief reminder brietta, the PJ  found no evidence of abduction because there was none to find.

You and people like you are absolutely desperate to whitewash the mccanns, and try and link paedophiles and burglaries to Madeleine's disappearance, where no link has been established.

That though is no surprise.


Offline Brietta

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #311 on: September 11, 2014, 02:18:56 PM »

The only 'book' which would be equatable, would be where all the scenarios  are examined.

What I have been told of this book so far, it fails to do that.

A brief reminder brietta, the PJ  found no evidence of abduction because there was none to find.

You and people like you are absolutely desperate to whitewash the mccanns, and try and link paedophiles and burglaries to Madeleine's disappearance, where no link has been established.

That though is no surprise.

I don’t have a copy of the book as yet so may be whistling in the wind when I say that it would surprise me greatly were there to be no analysis of other theories into what may or may not have occurred on the 3rd May.

May I be so bold as to remind you of the total mess made of the all important initial traces recovered by the Portuguese forensics team.  If the abductor had left any clue to his/her presence whatsoever it would have been obliterated by incompetent gathering of the evidence in the very first hours of the inquiry.

Later on in the investigation evidence which did not point to Madeleine’s parents was ignored; so if no-one was interested in seeking the perpetrator it was highly unlikely one would be found.

I hold no brief for the Drs McCann and it is rather telling that the claim that one does is so prevalent when used to discredit rational conclusions. 

Had there been evidence to suggest their involvement in whatever happened to Madeleine I would have taken note insofar as allowing the law to run its course, not to join a witch hunt of the most reprehensible type possible. 

Initially the PJ did investigate paedophiles and with the help of the Brits those who were ex pats; so the link was made by two professional law enforcement organisations, not me. 

I find it risible to suggest that a sexual predator who assaulted children in their beds is not worthy of consideration just as I find it incredible that burglars – who are not nice cuddly guys but criminals, some of whom are very violent persons indeed - should be ignored.

We are a wee bit more street wise now than we were in more innocent times when criminality involving drugs and addicts was less well understood; making it all the more incredible there are still those who choose to demonise people without criminal records and ignore real criminals who have thus been out of the picture for over seven years.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

ferryman

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Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #312 on: September 11, 2014, 04:26:15 PM »
As the nature of the crime has  yet to be ascertained,MANTRA TIME , you cannot rule out accidental death.

Why was Santos keen to protect Madeleine lest she be alive?
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #313 on: September 11, 2014, 04:55:47 PM »
It supports the mccanns non criminal involvement...tahts pretty overt

Would you care to share with us the page number where that is stated categorically?
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #314 on: September 11, 2014, 05:56:34 PM »
Would you care to share with us the page number where that is stated categorically?
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