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Offline Anna

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #855 on: September 28, 2014, 11:28:33 AM »
J wilkins isn't mentioned and the OC staff have not yet had their letters translated....If I read this correctly. So how many couldn't make it to the re-enactment?


Cancellation of re-enactment

Processos Vol XVI
Page 4355




Prosecutor of the Republic
Portimão Circuit



CONCLUSION on 26-5-2008


As referred to by the despatch that ordered the Reconstruction, in spite of this being considered a very important diligence for the investigation, it would only take place if the witnesses who were notified were present as well as the arguidos who had expressed their availability to participate. The witnesses Russell O’Brien, Jane Tanner, Matthew Oldfield and Rachel Mampilly have informed the process that they will not attend, therefore the reconstruction has no sense.

The notification of the arguidos Gerald and Kate was done by means of their legal representatives and notification of the witnesses David Payne, Fiona Payne, Dianne Webster, Russell O’Brien, Jane Tanner, Matthew Oldfield, Rachel Mampilly and Jeremy Wilkins was done with the collaboration of the UK police upon the request of the PJ.

Taking into account that the PJ is available to begin to translate the Letter or request, but also having a large quantity of documents to translate, and as part of the Letter of Request has already been delivered for translation, the statements of Amanda Coxon, Michael Wright, Linda McQueen, Justine McGuinness, Peter Patterson, Michelle Thompson, Emma Knights, Kenneth Walden, Carole Tranmer and Nicky remain to be translated.


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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #856 on: September 28, 2014, 11:50:07 AM »
Explain why it is such an important detail then.

If you can't grasp the differences between "the PJ decided not to do a reconstruction " and "because of the lack of cooperation from the witnesses the PJ were forced to drop the reconstruction" God help you.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Anna

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #857 on: September 28, 2014, 12:49:49 PM »
It doesn’t look to me as if the Authors were trying to deny or avoid, the reason for the re-enactment cancellation.

Excerpt from the book:-

Chapter 14
He bewailed the fact that no re-enactment had taken place, due to the refusal of some of necessary members of holiday group to return to our country. That he suggested, might have resolved crucial outstanding issues.

“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

ferryman

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Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #858 on: September 28, 2014, 01:09:20 PM »
A half truth is the most cowardly of lies.

A flavour of the dishonesty that runs through Summers book.

About the reconstruction.

'So it went. As the objections continued, ( of The Paynes, Oldfields et al ) the planned date for the reconstruction was put off. When the request changed, as the Paynes put it, 'from informal and friendly to a formal summons', some of those involved sought legal advice. On May 27th word came that the Portuguese prosecutor's office had given up on the notion of a re-enactment after all.'

What the author fails to mention is that by the 22nd of May all the friends of the McCanns had declined to take part in the reconstruction knowing that if they didn't all attend it wouldn't go ahead. The prosecutor's office had no choice but to give up on the diligence.

fails to mention?

In what sense do you count omission of irrelevance as a "failure"?

The only thing relevant that might have come out a Portguese-style "reconstitution" is a shifting of the time-line.

Scotland Yard did that, all on their own, without a "reconstitution", rendering one redundant.

stephen25000

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Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #859 on: September 28, 2014, 02:19:56 PM »
fails to mention?

In what sense do you count omission of irrelevance as a "failure"?

The only thing relevant that might have come out a Portguese-style "reconstitution" is a shifting of the time-line.

Scotland Yard did that, all on their own, without a "reconstitution", rendering one redundant.

You don't even know if the McCann's and group were questioned by SY in a precise and methodical way.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #860 on: September 28, 2014, 03:11:28 PM »
You don't even know if the McCann's and group were questioned by SY in a precise and methodical way.

but we do know SY said they are not suspects

stephen25000

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Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #861 on: September 28, 2014, 03:32:40 PM »
but we do know SY said they are not suspects

Now since the nature of the crime has yet to be ascertained, they should be.

Ergo, SY are exhibiting incompetence, unless of course not all their cards are on the table, but looking at Redwood, I doubt that.

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #862 on: September 28, 2014, 03:58:34 PM »
It doesn’t look to me as if the Authors were trying to deny or avoid, the reason for the re-enactment cancellation.

Excerpt from the book:-

Chapter 14
He bewailed the fact that no re-enactment had taken place, due to the refusal of some of necessary members of holiday group to return to our country. That he suggested, might have resolved crucial outstanding issues.

Can't see that in chapter 14?
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Anna

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #863 on: September 28, 2014, 04:28:48 PM »
Can't see that in chapter 14?

If you are using a kindle, do a search.location 2468. If not it is near the end of that chapter ,and
after
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On  june  30th 2008, with the final report from the UK's forensic science service, in hand, Inspector Joao Carlos ........................................................
The PJ had spared no effort, provided exceptional technical means, manpower and financing towards...
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #864 on: September 28, 2014, 04:52:06 PM »
Now since the nature of the crime has yet to be ascertained, they should be.

Ergo, SY are exhibiting incompetence, unless of course not all their cards are on the table, but looking at Redwood, I doubt that.
so you think SY are incompetent

Offline faithlilly

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #865 on: September 28, 2014, 05:05:58 PM »
It doesn’t look to me as if the Authors were trying to deny or avoid, the reason for the re-enactment cancellation.

Excerpt from the book:-

Chapter 14
He bewailed the fact that no re-enactment had taken place, due to the refusal of some of necessary members of holiday group to return to our country. That he suggested, might have resolved crucial outstanding issues.

You fail to take note that the author had already claimed that it was an arbitrary decision by the prosecutor, and the prosecutor alone, that stopped the reconstruction taking place. Anything that comes afterwards, and note the derogatory use of the word 'bewailed', merely suggests that the Portuguese were trying to shift blame for their poor decision.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

stephen25000

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Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #866 on: September 28, 2014, 05:20:08 PM »
so you think SY are incompetent

You hum it son and I'll play it. 8((()*/

Offline Anna

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #867 on: September 28, 2014, 05:35:41 PM »
You fail to take note that the author had already claimed that it was an arbitrary decision by the prosecutor, and the prosecutor alone, that stopped the reconstruction taking place. Anything that comes afterwards, and note the derogatory use of the word 'bewailed', merely suggests that the Portuguese were trying to shift blame for their poor decision.

You talk a load of rubbish.
Anyone can see that the book jumps back and forth in time. How the hell is being bewailed( extremely sorry) that the group didnt go back to portugal, have to do with blaming anyone?
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline Anna

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #868 on: September 28, 2014, 05:46:09 PM »
@ Faithlily.
You have accused the Authors of dishonesty. Simply because they omitted some details in their book, I think that you are searching the book, frantically, for faults.


“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

stephen25000

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Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #869 on: September 28, 2014, 05:51:39 PM »
@ Faithlily.
You have accused the Authors of dishonesty. Simply because they omitted some details in their book, I think that you are searching the book, frantically, for faults.

So why did they omit these details ?

Was it because if reflected badly on the mccanns and/or it was incompetence on the authors part ?