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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #1035 on: March 28, 2015, 06:20:33 PM »
IIRC GM asked DP to call in on Kate - which he did - after which he went to his own apartment to get his tennis gear and returned to the courts.   Is there something sinister about that?

Did he see her wearing a towel? Nope. Did Kate say he went inside? Nope. Did David say he did? You betcha.

485 "Did you actually go into the apartment''
 Reply "I did.'
1485 "Or did you do the conversation from the door''
 Reply "No, definitely was inside the apartment.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Anna

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #1036 on: March 28, 2015, 06:22:57 PM »
It was the last time anyone except her parents saw her and therefore a very important in establishing a timeline.

But he wasn't classed as an independent witness, same as Kate and Gerry.
The police believed, there was a possibility of something happening, between 5.30 and 10pm that caused her disappearance. DP sighting was not taken into account.
details of in...chapter 14 location 2403
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Offline Benice

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #1037 on: March 28, 2015, 06:26:08 PM »
Nothing.

So why is it being airbrushed from history ?

I wouldn't call it being  'airbrushed from history', but there is only a certain amount of time available to make a programme - and so you would use it to cover the most important events.    DP's visit obviously wasn't considered important enough to be given priority over other aspects.  IMO.

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #1038 on: March 28, 2015, 06:32:12 PM »
But he wasn't classed as an independent witness, same as Kate and Gerry.
The police believed, there was a possibility of something happening, between 5.30 and 10pm that caused her disappearance. DP sighting was not taken into account.
details of in...chapter 14 location 2403

If Amaral had seen the Gaspar statements then things would have quickly changed. Parents and close friends are first suspects in these cases.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

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Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #1039 on: March 28, 2015, 06:36:12 PM »
Is David payne's visit to Apartment 5a a well-known part of the narrative of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann?  Has it cropped up in previous documentaries, newspaper reports and articles, books etc?  If the answer is "no" then it can't really be considered an historic moment that is being airbrushed out - IMO. 

Offline faithlilly

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #1040 on: March 28, 2015, 06:38:54 PM »
I wouldn't call it being  'airbrushed from history', but there is only a certain amount of time available to make a programme - and so you would use it to cover the most important events.    DP's visit obviously wasn't considered important enough to be given priority over other aspects.  IMO.

The Crimewatch programme not only didn't mention the visit to Kate by Payne but didn't mention Payne by name at all, even though all the McCanns other friends were specifically named and while I take your point that a programme only has a finite amount of time to cover events the same can't be said of a book. So why did Summers leave out a detailed description of such an important event ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #1041 on: March 28, 2015, 06:45:59 PM »
Is David payne's visit to Apartment 5a a well-known part of the narrative of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann?  Has it cropped up in previous documentaries, newspaper reports and articles, books etc?  If the answer is "no" then it can't really be considered an historic moment that is being airbrushed out - IMO.

It was certainly re enacted in the Panorama programme screened in 2007 and included in Kate's book, many newspaper articles and several of the holidaymakers witness statements so I think it would be safe to concluded that it was a very important event within the 3rd of May narrative which has recently been buried. Why is the important question ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #1042 on: March 28, 2015, 06:57:47 PM »
It seems odd that the last "independent" sighting was omitted by S&S und CW but I incline to the view that there is so much horsh floating about in this case that a relatively significant piece of information could easily vanish* with some of the horsh.

*Accidentally that is; not with malice aforethought.
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Alfred R Jones

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Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #1043 on: March 28, 2015, 07:09:12 PM »
It was certainly re enacted in the Panorama programme screened in 2007 and included in Kate's book, many newspaper articles and several of the holidaymakers witness statements so I think it would be safe to concluded that it was a very important event within the 3rd of May narrative which has recently been buried. Why is the important question ?
I can't think of any nefarious reason, but I'm sure if you tried hard you'd be able to come up with one.

Offline Benice

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #1044 on: March 28, 2015, 07:37:54 PM »
Did he see her wearing a towel? Nope. Did Kate say he went inside? Nope. Did David say he did? You betcha.

485 "Did you actually go into the apartment''
 Reply "I did.'
1485 "Or did you do the conversation from the door''
 Reply "No, definitely was inside the apartment.

Does it really matter in the scheme of things whether he was just inside the apartment - as he remembers or standing at the open door - as Kate recalls?    We're talking about something which took up a couple of minutes of the whole  day - and which was so unimportant compared to what happened a few hours later it was probably forgotten about altogether for a while.    Even when it was recalled why would anyone be expected to precisely remember every tiny detail of something which was so mundane at the time it happened.

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #1045 on: March 28, 2015, 07:40:21 PM »
With access to all the files the archiving report states that there is no evidence of the McCanns committing any crime...I'm afraid you doubters need a dose of reality...the McCanns are not in the frame

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #1046 on: March 28, 2015, 07:51:00 PM »
With access to all the files the archiving report states that there is no evidence of the McCanns committing any crime...I'm afraid you doubters need a dose of reality...the McCanns are not in the frame
Yup.  The reason this incident has been "airbrushed from history" is that it has no relevance to the investigation of an abduction, which is what is currently being investigated.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #1047 on: March 28, 2015, 09:20:48 PM »
Yup.  The reason this incident has been "airbrushed from history" is that it has no relevance to the investigation of an abduction, which is what is currently being investigated.

Seeing as how the honcho in this, DCI Wall appears to have said sweet Felicity Arkwright about the direction her investigation is taking aren't you being a tad presumptuous?
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Angelo222

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #1048 on: March 29, 2015, 08:08:33 PM »
Seeing as how the honcho in this, DCI Wall appears to have said sweet Felicity Arkwright about the direction her investigation is taking aren't you being a tad presumptuous?

That's because there is Felicity Arkwright to tell governor.  The days of the big budgets for wild goose chases are over.

As far as Summers and Swans book is concerned I've read more original content in the Beano. @)(++(*
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Offline Brietta

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #1049 on: May 02, 2015, 10:28:06 AM »
Madeleine Police Probe More Break-Ins
Detectives are following a new line of inquiry, ahead of the eighth anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance.

By Martin Brunt, Crime Correspondent

British detectives searching for Madeleine McCann have discovered more of the holiday apartment burglaries they believe hold the key to solving the case.

They had been investigating 18 break-ins in which intruders entered the bedrooms of young, mostly British girls.

Now they are probing 28 such burglaries, Sky News has learned.

Forensic evidence is being tested against findings from the apartment from where Madeleine vanished eight years ago.

The development in the Scotland Yard investigation is revealed by authors Anthony Summers and Robbyn Swan in a new edition of their recent book Looking For Madeleine.

Summers said: "Our source told us that after stumbling across 18 burglaries last year, they have now discovered a total of 28 in the area of Praia da Luz in the years around 2007 when Madeleine disappeared.

"It gives them a much better chance of matching evidence against forensics from the McCann apartment.

"I was told there was great sensitivity around this forensic testing, nobody wants to discuss it, but they are making progress and believe the case is solvable."

The author said in the past few days the Home Office had agreed to continue its controversial funding of the British investigation which has now cost more than £10m.

Summers said: "Officials meet the police every three months to review spending and only last week told them there was no financial or political pressure to cut back."

Madeleine was nearly four when she vanished from the family's rented holiday apartment on 3 May eight years ago. It's thought she was abducted.

Portuguese police abandoned their investigation after 15 months without establishing any clues to the mystery and for three years there was no official search for Madeleine.

With Home Office backing, Scotland Yard began a review of evidence in 2011 and then launched a full-scale investigation two years ago.

The London branch leader of the police union the Police Federation said recently that funding of the investigation could not be justified in the wake of continuing public spending cuts which have hit all forces.

Madeleine's parents Kate and Gerry McCann have said they are "more driven than ever" to continue the search for their daughter.
http://news.sky.com/story/1476413/madeleine-police-probe-more-break-ins?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....