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Offline sadie

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #1455 on: May 19, 2015, 01:22:47 PM »
I don't.

If Ben's grandparents did what they were supposed to do, Ben wouldn't have disappeared.

Waste of taxpayers money looking for him, they should be paying for it themselves, it's their fault.

What a humane comment !  8)-)))    Doesen't matter to you about finding Ben?  8(8-))

Well done Spammy




[BTW, Another Jewish child?  Ben is a very Jewish name.]



stephen25000

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Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #1456 on: May 19, 2015, 07:01:43 PM »
From another poster, and quite an interesting read.

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Looking around, it is strange that no-one bar amazon customers seems to have reviewed S&S's book. There don't seem to be many reviews from trustworthy sources for any of their books, actually. I do wonder if in part it is because they have written mainly for the US market in the past, with works on JFK, J Edgar Hoover and 9/11, so that they haven't picked up much of a following in the UK?

I found one mainstream review, from the Telegraph, for their book on 9/11, which of their other works was probably the one with the most widespread appeal.

This is from that review:

''Several old and far-fetched but still incendiary claims are examined. One is that the CIA met Osama bin Laden to "negotiate" with him in July 2001. Another is that the CIA was trying to recruit two of the 9/11 hijackers as agents, hid this from the FBI and then covered it up after the attacks. Despite the authors' insinuations, however, there is no real evidence for either claim.
Their habit of posing portentous questions without answering them also grates: "Alternately, could it be that the CIA relied on information from another, foreign, intelligence organisation? If so, which organisation? One candidate, some might think, is the Israeli Mossad." ........

The extent to which "innocent Arabs suffered humiliation or abuse" in America after 9/11 is grossly overstated and the assertion that "anyone brown and foreign-looking was vulnerable" conjures images of racist mobs that stalked US streets only in the minds of some Europeans.
It is also dubious at best that it is "rarely mentioned, if at all" that hundreds of non-Americans were killed, or that "dozens" of illegal immigrants died and are "remembered on no memorial".
There is no denying that Summers and Swan have done their homework. The main 443-page text is laden with attributions from secondary sources. Official reports, transcripts, books and the often unremarkable statements of journalists are quoted exhaustively. There are also 116 pages of endnotes that take considerable effort to decipher.
The problem is that the authors haven't done enough original research. Most glaringly, they seem to have interviewed no major figures in the Bush administration.''

The criticism that they have done ''very little original research'' surfaces in other reviews, along with other criticisms

''Looked forward to reading a constructive discussion of a corrupt J.Edgar Hoover. Found it to devolve into ridiculious conjecture. I was extremely disappointed and hurried to finish the mess.''

''Summers has largely plagarised the psychoanalysis form Volkan's "Psychobiography". The references to Nixon's childhood are largely borrowed from Brodie and the coverage of Watergate is superficial and inadequate......I really wouldn't recommend spending £20 on this book, unless you're a true Nixon junky, in which case you will have already bought the book, and will probably have been nodding your head in agreement about what I have just written.''

''The author picks and chooses the facts that seem to support his theories, and omits or ignores those which would disprove them. As a result, the conspiracies end up sounding too far-fetched''

In fairness, there are also some very good reviews and several awards.

So several things emerge

The more familiar the reviewer is with the subject matter, the more likely they are to find fault with a book which claims to be the last word on the topic, which is quite understandable.

Summers and Swan do not appear to have the same market for their books here as in the United States, where he in particular is a well-known author, having written about topics of interest there. Looking for Madeleine is not on sale in the USA at present.

Summers has in the past written extensively about conspiracies and conspiracy theories, but seems to have reflected the thoughts and opinions of others rather than generating anything original.

I can find very little by way of book reviews from unbiased sources. An article in an Irish newspaper complaining about the negative reviews makes reference to a review in the Telegraph, but I cannot find such a review - just the extracts from the book that were serialised there prior to launch

The websites of some major booksellers, such as Waterstones, have no reviews at all, and do not even have the hardback in stock.

I also wonder how willing they were to ask difficult questions.

For example, the following is a quote from one of the few original parts of the book, an interview with Brian Kennedy

''"Within 15 seconds of listening to Kate," he said, "I made a decision, using all the emotional intelligence one builds up over many years. I was 100 per cent convinced of their total innocence. I told them that, one, we would find a top Portuguese lawyer to defend them, and get them off as arguidos [the McCanns had been designated "named suspects" by the Portuguese authorities days before they returned to England]. Two, we'd do everything in our power to influence the public's perspective and views. And, three, we'd support them in setting up some private investigators ... The Portuguese police had stopped investigating. It was urgent to get some other guys on to it." ''

Personally, I would have wanted to know more. Did he really decide in 15 seconds, based on a single conversation? Did he make any further enquiries before coming to this conclusion? Why was ''getting them off'' and ''influencing the public perception'' seen as a priority over and above finding the missing child? You know - the things one might expect a journalist to ask?

I think Summers' biggest mistakes are twofold: his book came out far too soon after Kate McCann's whining piece of nonsense so the market for it was nowhere near what they imagined, plus he has encountered a readership who may well know more, or think they know more, than he does. He would have been better off waiting five years until people were ready for a reminder, or waiting until something worth reporting had actually happened.

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Alfred R Jones

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Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #1457 on: May 19, 2015, 07:22:05 PM »
If the book really is as crap as all that why is it STILL being talked about and rubbished by the sceptic community months after first publication?

OK - it's crap, get over it and move on with your lives, there are McCanns to be bashed, goddamit!

stephen25000

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Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #1458 on: May 19, 2015, 07:25:52 PM »
If the book really is as crap as all that why is it STILL being talked about and rubbished by the sceptic community months after first publication?

OK - it's crap, get over it and move on with your lives, there are McCanns to be bashed, goddamit!

Haven't you got it ?

S and S are trying to pretend it's a great piece of analytical work.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #1459 on: May 19, 2015, 07:32:41 PM »
Haven't you got it ?

S and S are trying to pretend it's a great piece of analytical work.
Yes I have got it, it's on my shelf.  We all get that you  "sceptics" think it's not even worth wiping your bums with, how many different ways are there left for you to rubbish it, I wonder...? &%+((£

stephen25000

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Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #1460 on: May 19, 2015, 07:39:19 PM »
Yes I have got it, it's on my shelf.  We all get that you  "sceptics" think it's not even worth wiping your bums with, how many different ways are there left for you to rubbish it, I wonder...? &%+((£

Angry Alfred ?   &%+((£

It rivals another masterpiece of fiction by Mrs. Mccann.


Alfred R Jones

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Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #1461 on: May 19, 2015, 07:42:30 PM »
Angry Alfred ?   &%+((£

It rivals another masterpiece of fiction by Mrs. Mccann.
Angry doesn't begin to cover it Stephen.  I am frothing with rage.  Incadescent.  Irate beyond belief.  Really, really  REALLY cross.  I want to throw things and stamp up and down.  Smash crockery.  Bang my head against a wall.  Rip my copy of Summers and Swan into tiny pieces and force them down the guina pig's throat. 

That's what your posts do to me.   Odd isn't it?     &%+((£

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #1462 on: May 19, 2015, 07:47:50 PM »
Angry doesn't begin to cover it Stephen.  I am frothing with rage.  Incadescent.  Irate beyond belief.  Really, really  REALLY cross.  I want to throw things and stamp up and down.  Smash crockery.  Bang my head against a wall.  Rip my copy of Summers and Swan into tiny pieces and force them down the guina pig's throat. 

That's what your posts do to me.   Odd isn't it?     &%+((£

Stephen must be very worried about this book and very angry...he won't shut up about it...he's prepared to waste valuable McCann bashing time to bash this book...there must be something really serious about to happen

stephen25000

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Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #1463 on: May 19, 2015, 07:49:17 PM »
Angry doesn't begin to cover it Stephen.  I am frothing with rage.  Incadescent.  Irate beyond belief.  Really, really  REALLY cross.  I want to throw things and stamp up and down.  Smash crockery.  Bang my head against a wall.  Rip my copy of Summers and Swan into tiny pieces and force them down the guina pig's throat. 

That's what your posts do to me.   Odd isn't it?     &%+((£

and all because I don't swallow the mccann line. @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*

stephen25000

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Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #1464 on: May 19, 2015, 07:51:44 PM »
Stephen must be very worried about this book and very angry...he won't shut up about it...he's prepared to waste valuable McCann bashing time to bash this book...there must be something really serious about to happen

Worried about two armchair detectives.

In your dreams.

The lack of book sales highlight how ridiculous the book actually is.

In comparison, Katie Price is a  magnificent authoress. @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*

Offline Lace

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #1465 on: May 19, 2015, 08:39:01 PM »
Angry doesn't begin to cover it Stephen.  I am frothing with rage.  Incadescent.  Irate beyond belief.  Really, really  REALLY cross.  I want to throw things and stamp up and down.  Smash crockery.  Bang my head against a wall.  Rip my copy of Summers and Swan into tiny pieces and force them down the guina pig's throat. 

That's what your posts do to me.   Odd isn't it?     &%+((£

 *&*%£

stephen25000

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Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #1466 on: May 19, 2015, 08:52:11 PM »
*&*%£

Are you frothing too lace ?

It goes with the territory of supporting the mccanns.  8)--))




Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #1467 on: May 19, 2015, 09:17:11 PM »
Yes I have got it, it's on my shelf.  We all get that you  "sceptics" think it's not even worth wiping your bums with, how many different ways are there left for you to rubbish it, I wonder...? &%+((£

I tried it and finished up having to buy a new Kindle.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #1468 on: May 19, 2015, 10:17:44 PM »
I tried it and finished up having to buy a new Kindle.
@)(++(*  8((()*/

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Summers & Swan - A new book - Looking For Madeleine
« Reply #1469 on: June 26, 2015, 01:38:12 PM »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.