The laundrymen sightings on 2nd and 3rd May at Block G.

[Anna]

I read Stephen Carpenter's Rogatory interview at the end of last year; I think it may have recieved some media coverage at the time as I seem to remember press photographs of the garage mentioned.

I have just read it again.

The first thing I noticed was his concern about the original statement given to the PJ ...

 - quote - DCF: And I know that before we begin the questioning, that you showed some concern about the truthful recording of the facts and that they could have had some distortions by what you have read about the event. - end quote   http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STEPHEN-CARPENTER.htm

I think Stephen Carpenter's entire statement has not recieved the attention it deserves either in whole or in part.  Especially as he seems to have been a truly independent witness with no particular axe to grind

So, do we know who the laundry man was, that he was describing and who slept in the garage? quite intriguing really!

[VIXTE]

I wonder where this minibus was parked...
Was it parked in front of front ( main door) to 5A or was it parked across the road of the reception, where the GNR dogs lost the scent?

[misty]

So, do we know who the laundry man was, that he was describing and who slept in the garage? quite intriguing really!

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARIO_MARREIROS.htm
Witness Statement

Date: 2007/05/08

Mario Fernando Madeira Marreiros

Occupation: Laundry worker

Place of Work: OC

*Snip*
He has worked at the OC since the 5th March 2007 as a laundry worker as well as the driver of the laundry vehicles of the resort, delivering and collecting laundry (towels and sheets) from the apartments that make up the resort.

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Mario drove one of the laundry vehicles - a white van -  but I am unable to find details of any other specific laundry vehicles. He also has a stepson who was around 15/16 at the time.

[pegasus]

The laundryman Mr Carpenter mentions lived in in a block adjacent to and just north of block 5, probably block 2. (Source: http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STEPHEN-CARPENTER.htm ).

Sr Marreiros lived in 2013 in "a village on the outskirts of Praia Da Luz" (Source: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-witness-saw-weird-1918572 )

So they are two different people.
Unless you can prove that Sr Marreiros moved since 2007.
If anyone has the DVD you can just look at Vol 3 page 555 to get the 2007 address.

[Anna]

The laundryman Mr Carpenter mentions lived in in a block adjacent to and just north of block 5, probably block 2. (Source: http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STEPHEN-CARPENTER.htm ).

Sr Marreiros lived in 2013 in "a village on the outskirts of Praia Da Luz" (Source: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-witness-saw-weird-1918572 )

So they are two different people.
Unless you can prove that Sr Marreiros moved since 2007.
If anyone has the DVD you can just look at Vol 3 page 555 to get the 2007 address.

Thank you Pegasis
  When Stephen was describing the chap who was in an apartment that backed onto and opposite block 5, I assumed he was speaking about Raj  (Is Neil maybe the "Grey haired man" that he refers too?)
I think the laundry man was the chap with a son..............They were searching the complex and that garage was within or they wouldn't have the key.
  I also noticed that he left the tapas bar around 9.15 to 9.30 and said there was lots of cars parked up the road towards 5A..................Now wasn't it said that the road was deserted when JT spotted a stranger with child and GM  and JW were chatting and didn't see her around the same time?...Edit... Forget about Neil being grey haired man.....Just seen his photo  &%&£(+

[misty]

The laundryman Mr Carpenter mentions lived in in a block adjacent to and just north of block 5, probably block 2. (Source: http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STEPHEN-CARPENTER.htm ).

Sr Marreiros lived in 2013 in "a village on the outskirts of Praia Da Luz" (Source: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-witness-saw-weird-1918572 )

So they are two different people.
Unless you can prove that Sr Marreiros moved since 2007.
If anyone has the DVD you can just look at Vol 3 page 555 to get the 2007 address.

About 18 months ago, if you googled this guy's name, there was a planning application for some "engineering work" (all in Portuguese) in December 2010 for what I assumed was his house, an address on Rua 25 de Abril (iirc). I don't think it's on the net now so I could post a link. I may possibly have saved it on an old laptop & will check later, but I did check at the time that the road name was one of the ones the OC apartments were on.

[misty]

Thank you Pegasis
  When Stephen was describing the chap who was in an apartment that backed onto and opposite block 5, I assumed he was speaking about Raj  (Is Neil maybe the "Grey haired man" that he refers too?)
I think the laundry man was the chap with a son..............They were searching the complex and that garage was within or they wouldn't have the key.
  I also noticed that he left the tapas bar around 9.15 to 9.30 and said there was lots of cars parked up the road towards 5A..................Now wasn't it said that the road was deserted when JT spotted a stranger with child and GM  and JW were chatting and didn't see her around the same time?...Edit... Forget about Neil being grey haired man.....Just seen his photo  &%&£(+

I've just re-read the statements of JT, GM & JW and I can't find any reference as to whether any cars were parked on that particular road that night or not. It was only stated that the road was "quiet".
Gerry said he crossed the road to speak to Jez, although Jez disagreed with that. If there were cars parked on 5a side of the road, maybe it was because of the presence of "several vehicles" that JW didn't see JT.
The questioner(s) appear to have failed to ask a very basic question to all 3 witnesses.
The grey-haired man with SC was, I think, George Crosland, but again, I'm struggling to find a link to where I read the identification.

[Anna]

I've just re-read the statements of JT, GM & JW and I can't find any reference as to whether any cars were parked on that particular road that night or not. It was only stated that the road was "quiet".
Gerry said he crossed the road to speak to Jez, although Jez disagreed with that. If there were cars parked on 5a side of the road, maybe it was because of the presence of "several vehicles" that JW didn't see JT.
The questioner(s) appear to have failed to ask a very basic question to all 3 witnesses.
The grey-haired man with SC was, I think, George Crosland, but again, I'm struggling to find a link to where I read the identification.

Sorry Misty, I am not feeling too well and lacking concentration....................I meant that the cars may be the reason that JT was unseen. So you think it was GS. A pity this wasn't all clarified . It is difficult to make sense of that statement

[pegasus]

I've just re-read the statements of JT, GM & JW and I can't find any reference as to whether any cars were parked on that particular road that night or not. It was only stated that the road was "quiet".
Gerry said he crossed the road to speak to Jez, although Jez disagreed with that. If there were cars parked on 5a side of the road, maybe it was because of the presence of "several vehicles" that JW didn't see JT.
The questioner(s) appear to have failed to ask a very basic question to all 3 witnesses.
The grey-haired man with SC was, I think, George Crosland, but again, I'm struggling to find a link to where I read the identification.

SC says the greyhaired man had just purchased an entire block - I think block 2.
On this map, in the Waterside Garden area, you can see block 2 just north of block 5.

[Anna]

SC says the greyhaired man had just purchased an entire block.
I think block 2.
On this map, in the Waterside Garden area, you can see block 2 just north of block 5.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/zzpdlmap.jpg

The complex was in the process of being sold to.............

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ROBIN_CROSSLAND.htm

[pegasus]

The complex was in the process of being sold to.............

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ROBIN_CROSSLAND.htm

Yes but I think WG block 2 was sold off, out of OC/MW, to an individual.
IMO WG block 2 is where the searchers encountered both these people
(A) The approx 50 yr old englishman with torches who had just purchased the block.
(B) The portuguese laundryman with a garage.
See WG block 2 on the map I posted, it is the only block which fits SC statement.
Yes it has garages.

[misty]

Yes but I think WG block 2 was sold off, out of OC/MW, to an individual.
IMO WG block 2 is where the searchers encountered both these people
(A) The approx 50 yr old englishman with torches who had just purchased the block.
(B) The portuguese laundryman with a garage.
See WG block 2 on the map I posted, it is the only block which fits SC statement.
Yes it has garages.

Crosland mentions an individual called Andrew as being the purchaser, and I am guessing this was Andrew Searle, who bought the blocks with Mark Chitty. They are both listed as having involvement as directors in Mark Warner Ltd & European Leisure Holdings. Very complicated financial dealings these people have.
 I'm unable at present to find any photos of the 2 gentlemen, but both Searle & Chitty were 53 in 2007, so grey -haired?

Slightly off at a tangent, & taken fron Gerry's statement 10/5/2007
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

*snip*
----- That, between Monday and Wednesday, not knowing the precise date, when they left the residence by the main door, to place the children in the respective creches, MADELEINE left [went] running to the left to the extreme opposite of the residential blocks where they were lodged, playing with the twins. That they had gone down to the furthest point away from those blocks, not knowing exactly how, the three children got into the gardens at the rear [of the blocks]. Then they followed the inside corridor [pathway] at the rear, next to the hedges [fences] up to the street that led to the secondary reception.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Whose gardens do you think these were - Murat's or the villa next to it, or somewhere else?

[pegasus]

Crosland mentions an individual called Andrew as being the purchaser, and I am guessing this was Andrew Searle, who bought the blocks with Mark Chitty. They are both listed as having involvement as directors in Mark Warner Ltd & European Leisure Holdings. Very complicated financial dealings these people have.
 I'm unable at present to find any photos of the 2 gentlemen, but both Searle & Chitty were 53 in 2007, so grey -haired?

Slightly off at a tangent, & taken fron Gerry's statement 10/5/2007
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

*snip*
----- That, between Monday and Wednesday, not knowing the precise date, when they left the residence by the main door, to place the children in the respective creches, MADELEINE left [went] running to the left to the extreme opposite of the residential blocks where they were lodged, playing with the twins. That they had gone down to the furthest point away from those blocks, not knowing exactly how, the three children got into the gardens at the rear [of the blocks]. Then they followed the inside corridor [pathway] at the rear, next to the hedges [fences] up to the street that led to the secondary reception.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Whose gardens do you think these were - Murat's or the villa next to it, or somewhere else?

He is talking about a garden of one of the groundfloor apartments of block 4 or block 5.
IMO it is the garden of the ground floor apartment at the west end of block 4.

[pegasus]

At a slight tangent but with a connection to laundry here is a photo

[Anna]

Crosland mentions an individual called Andrew as being the purchaser, and I am guessing this was Andrew Searle, who bought the blocks with Mark Chitty. They are both listed as having involvement as directors in Mark Warner Ltd & European Leisure Holdings. Very complicated financial dealings these people have.
 I'm unable at present to find any photos of the 2 gentlemen, but both Searle & Chitty were 53 in 2007, so grey -haired?

Slightly off at a tangent, & taken fron Gerry's statement 10/5/2007
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

*snip*
----- That, between Monday and Wednesday, not knowing the precise date, when they left the residence by the main door, to place the children in the respective creches, MADELEINE left [went] running to the left to the extreme opposite of the residential blocks where they were lodged, playing with the twins. That they had gone down to the furthest point away from those blocks, not knowing exactly how, the three children got into the gardens at the rear [of the blocks]. Then they followed the inside corridor [pathway] at the rear, next to the hedges [fences] up to the street that led to the secondary reception.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Whose gardens do you think these were - Murat's or the villa next to it, or somewhere else?

I agree with Pegasus with regard to the gardens. I think they were close to the tennis court, but not sure

Mark warner was AS and MC, just acquired I believe. The link below before 2006 does not mention Portugal, but it is in the list underneath as...... New.

http://www.divingfinder.com/Scuba_Diving/Europe/United_Kingdom/Mark_Warner