New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.

[Mr Gray]

Briefly remind me of Mitchell's role in the Blair government ?

you are ignoring my point because it destroys your claim re mitchell

[stephen25000]

you are ignoring my point because it destroys your claim re mitchell

Utter balderdash dave.

Listen to Mitchell's words and quotes.

it would help.

Including the classic....

 "I believe Kate and Gerry are not responsible for Madeleine's death"

[Mr Gray]

Utter balderdash dave.

Listen to Mitchell's words and quotes.

it would help.

Including the classic....

 "I believe Kate and Gerry are not responsible for Madeleine's death"

nothing wrong with that...

[Jean-Pierre]

Oh dear.  Why is it that every theory of "how the McCanns dunnit" depends on high level government cover ups,  press cover ups, political interference and all sorts of shenanigans..

The theory that Madeleine was abducted and the McCann family were innocent victims of a crime is much simpler, and does not need any conspiracy theories.  Much less exciting, I grant you, but does not need such a stretch of the imagination.

The conspiracy theorists do overlook one important factor - if this was all a government cover up, it is an exceptionally inept one. 

With a real cover up, nobody would know anything about it.  Zilch.  Nada.  Nothing to discuss. 

[Miss Taken Identity]

What an interesting thread.  Welcome to Eddie and Bert.

The main reason Richard was quoting the MSM was to highlight the differences in what was *sexed up* for the public in terms of what was actually going on,or , in some instances what was going on but not being reported. I admire him for these documentaries, they are well researched.

I am not a fan of conspiracies at all, but as a critical thinker, I find as much as is possible from both views.

I have never stated a theory (I can think of a few)but the clinical PR methodology rushed in place by the government to 'protect' the Tapas 9 is just too weird to ignore.  I ruled out a stranger abduction on the first interview they gave, I just didn't believe them-that simple. And ,well look how it all turned out; the lies and tales were shunted out at an alarming rate-the stories spun so fast it gave the Tasmanian devil a run for his money.

I believe little Maddie is dead, and has been  since 2007. The parents facilitated her fate, what ever fate that was, and no amount or PR will ever change that! The story goes...parents go for meal and drink leaving 3 children under 4 years of age -alone in a foreign country. One goes missing- two are left with a terrible dilemma when they grow up. The parents spend millions of pounds, blame everyone for doing 'something' to stop them finding their daughter-the one they left alone in an unlocked apartment.

kate answered one question- she knew that by being asked "awkward" questions, she could jeopardize her daughters investigation.  She saved her own reputation at the cost of her daughters whereabouts being established....well,  nice people the McCann's.Nice Middle class people-who do charity...

 This Documentary will hopefully get UK wide audience. I am going to send it to everyone...

[Mr Gray]

What an interesting thread.  Welcome to Eddie and Bert.

The main reason Richard was quoting the MSM was to highlight the differences in what was *sexed up* for the public in terms of what was actually going on,or , in some instances what was going on but not being reported. I admire him for these documentaries, they are well researched.

I am not a fan of conspiracies at all, but as a critical thinker, I find as much as is possible from both views.

I have never stated a theory (I can think of a few)but the clinical PR methodology rushed in place by the government to 'protect' the Tapas 9 is just too weird to ignore.  I ruled out a stranger abduction on the first interview they gave, I just didn't believe them-that simple. And ,well look how it all turned out; the lies and tales were shunted out at an alarming rate-the stories spun so fast it gave the Tasmanian devil a run for his money.

I believe little Maddie is dead, and has been  since 2007. The parents facilitated her fate, what ever fate that was, and no amount or PR will ever change that! The story goes...parents go for meal and drink leaving 3 children under 4 years of age -alone in a foreign country. One goes missing- two are left with a terrible dilemma when they grow up. The parents spend millions of pounds, blame everyone for doing 'something' to stop them finding their daughter-the one they left alone in an unlocked apartment.

kate answered one question- she knew that by being asked "awkward" questions, she could jeopardize her daughters investigation.  She saved her own reputation at the cost of her daughters whereabouts being established....well,  nice people the McCann's.Nice Middle class people-who do charity...

 This Documentary will hopefully get UK wide audience. I am going to send it to everyone...

Kate answered a lot more than one question but don't let the truth spoil your theory

[Miss Taken Identity]

Kate did not answer pertinent questions put to her once she was given arguido status because she took her lawyers advice to remain silent in case she incriminated herself...Oh Really, well if she was innocent and claims to be innocent, what is the problem? what can she say that would incriminate her?

Now NSY asked for PDL residents to be made arguidos and questioned. They all forfeited their right to silence and they answered a lot more questions.  Just saying...


Again, Kate protecting herself, not giving a thought for her daughter at all.

[Mr Gray]

Kate did not answer pertinent questions put to her once she was given arguido status because she took her lawyers advice to remain silent in case she incriminated herself...Oh Really, well if she was innocent and claims to be innocent, what is the problem? what can she say that would incriminate her?

Now NSY asked for PDL residents to be made arguidos and questioned. They all forfeited their right to silence and they answered a lot more questions.  Just saying...


Again, Kate protecting herself, not giving a thought for her daughter at all.

So your statement Kate only answered one question is incorrect....that's all I needed to know. The rest of your post has been discussed ad nauseam and is a matter of opinion

[Miss Taken Identity]

No, kate did not answer pertinent questions as an arguido... APART FROM ONE, this is in the files not my opinion at all and fine well you know it. You are trolling Dave. your ad nausum can be attributed to two lousy parents, funny you never picked up on the rest of the post. Truth hurts  much?

From now on I will not reply to your childish jibes, I got bored with them at the beginning of coming here.
I thought I would give you the opportunity to discuss-and or debate statements.

Way beyond your level I'm Afraid.

Kate was asked by the PJ- Do you realise that by NOT answering the questions you are jeapordising the investigation to find your daughter.

kate replied "yes"

Mummy was looking after mummies reputation-to hell with the investigation...?

Nice mummy.

[DCI]

No, kate did not answer pertinent questions as an arguido... APART FROM ONE, this is in the files not my opinion at all and fine well you know it. You are trolling Dave. your ad nausum can be attributed to two lousy parents, funny you never picked up on the rest of the post. Truth hurts  much?

From now on I will not reply to your childish jibes, I got bored with them at the beginning of coming here.
I thought I would give you the opportunity to discuss-and or debate statements.

Way beyond your level I'm Afraid.

Kate was asked by the PJ- Do you realise that by NOT answering the questions you are jeapordising the investigation to find your daughter.

kate replied "yes"

Mummy was looking after mummies reputation-to hell with the investigation...?

Nice mummy.

Kate was asked

--- Asked if she is aware that her failure to respond to the questions put in the cause of the investigation, which seeks to know what happened to her daughter, she replied that yes, if the investigation so thinks.

If you are going to quote from the files, you should at least use the quote verbatim from them, and not other forum quotes.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Verbatim is not necessary as Dave knows full well what the files say, and besides paraphrasing is allowed you know. So yet again picking up on words but not debating the content-well it speaks for itself really.

We have established that Kate refused to answer many questions like;  what did you do? what did you see? when you entered the room? but did answer that one about it affecting the investigation..She claimed she refused as instructed by her solicitor as she may incriminate herself. If she is innocent, why could she incriminate herself?

Actually, how can one defend such callous behavior?

[stephen25000]

nothing wrong with that...

???

[Mr Gray]

Verbatim is not necessary as Dave knows full well what the files say, and besides paraphrasing is allowed you know. So yet again picking up on words but not debating the content-well it speaks for itself really.

We have established that Kate refused to answer many questions like;  what did you do? what did you see? when you entered the room? but did answer that one about it affecting the investigation..She claimed she refused as instructed by her solicitor as she may incriminate herself. If she is innocent, why could she incriminate herself?

Actually, how can one defend such callous behavior?

in the situation she was in Kate was absolutely right in not answering anymore questions...the topic has been discussed at length...your criticism is ridiculous....imo

[stephen25000]

Oh dear.  Why is it that every theory of "how the McCanns dunnit" depends on high level government cover ups,  press cover ups, political interference and all sorts of shenanigans..

The theory that Madeleine was abducted and the McCann family were innocent victims of a crime is much simpler, and does not need any conspiracy theories.  Much less exciting, I grant you, but does not need such a stretch of the imagination.

The conspiracy theorists do overlook one important factor - if this was all a government cover up, it is an exceptionally inept one. 

With a real cover up, nobody would know anything about it.  Zilch.  Nada.  Nothing to discuss.

Well on one point, I agree, it was totally inept.

The details of the contacts between the Blairs, Browns and the mccanns would have come out sooner or later.

The mccanns helped with that of course, with the book and the attempted social climbing.

For the rest, including the so called 'independent P.I.'s, including Edgar and Cowley, who would themselves have considerable trouble organizing a certain activity in a brewery, it became a theatre of the absurd.

The brief existence of 'Alphacraig' can be traced on Company Check and other similar sites.

I wonder what that pair are up to now ?

Perhaps residing in a lawless village a few miles south of PDL. 

The sheer absurdity of the attempts to spread the mythical abduction were revealed so well in video 4.

I'll watch the remnants of 2 and the entirety of 3 in due course.

[Eleanor]

I don't think "Who" created a Company is all that important.  I have always understood that Edgar and Cowley were employed and supported by Brian Kennedy on behalf of The McCanns.

Someone tried to turn Aphaig into some sort of mystery.  Bennett, I do believe.  But why should it matter what Edgar and Cowley called themselves?

I hope they do run some sort of Agency now that they don't appear to be searching for Madeleine.  Although we can't be sure that they aren't doing that.  It would hardly be Interfering with the Course of Justice since this remains a Portuguese Investigation.