New documentary:"BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA -The True Story of Madeleine McCann.

[Mr Gray]

Poor excuse.

Do the police specialize in 'abductions' ?

Why don't you 'google' the rather extensive number of P.I. agencies, or pick up a copy of the yellow pages, and research.

People have 'disappeared' throughout history, and therefore don't tell me they haven't been investigated, that would be pure bull if you said that.

tell me ONE agency that specialises in stranger abduction...you won't be able to

[jassi]

Of course not. its so rare that there is no money to be made from it.

[stephen25000]

You are really struggling as I knew you would...that on is based in the US...

Ther are no companies specialising in stranger abduction

Sorry dave, it operates on an international basis as well as in the UK.

Now why was a specialist agency needed dave ?

and what experience did that pair have ?

Try responding with reason and logic please.

[stephen25000]

No.

And that may be (in part) why the PJ made a poor job of investigating Madeleine's disappearance.

You are assuming an abduction.

Now where is the concise and quantitative evidence of that please ?

[Benice]

I assume the McCanns wanted people on board who could concentrate exclusively on their case.  Surely PI Agencies would have more than one client at a time?      They would also need to be as confident as possible  that the people employed were completely trustworthy - especially from a 'confidentiality' point of view.    With that in mind - sticking a pin in Yellow Pages - would not seem to be very wise IMO.

I have no idea why Alphaig was closed down, but until someone can come up with a credible reason why this should be regarded as 'suspicious' -  then it's irrelevant IMO. 

TBH - I'm still not absolutely sure what the point is you are making Stephen .   Are you claiming that they were willing participants in a conspiracy? 

[stephen25000]

I assume the McCanns wanted people on board who could concentrate exclusively on their case.  Surely PI Agencies would have more than one client at a time?      They would also need to be as confident as possible  that the people employed were completely trustworthy - especially from a 'confidentiality' point of view.    With that in mind - sticking a pin in Yellow Pages - would not seem to be very wise IMO.

I have no idea why Alphaig was closed down, but until someone can come up with a credible reason why this should be regarded as 'suspicious' -  then it's irrelevant IMO. 

TBH - I'm still not absolutely sure what the point is you are making Stephen .   Are you claiming that they were willing participants in a conspiracy?

Alphaig was manufactured.

Very clear cut, and then it disappeared into the ether, as have apparently  Edgar and Cowley.


Logically, you would search for agencies who have carried out work in this area, and had experience in the field, and who once assigned to the case, would get on with it.

Now clearly Alphaig were 'manufactured' by Kennedy, and clearly achieved zip.

[Mr Gray]

Sorry dave, it operates on an international basis as well as in the UK.

Now why was a specialist agency needed dave ?

and what experience did that pair have ?

Try responding with reason and logic please.

so again the best you can come up with for a british child abducted in Portugal is a firm based in California. it shows how difficult it was to find a firm. That's probably why the McCanns turned to expolicemen.

I don't expect anyone who thinks those videos have any credibility to agree. I don't see anything suspicious

[stephen25000]

so again the best you can come up with for a british child abducted in Portugal is a firm based in California. it shows how difficult it was to find a firm. That's probably why the McCanns turned to expolicemen.

I don't expect anyone who thinks those videos have any credibility to agree. I don't see anything suspicious

There are many other firms dave who are private investigators.

Now why aren't you answering my questions dave ?

[Benice]

Alphaig was manufactured.

Very clear cut, and then it disappeared into the ether, as have apparently  Edgar and Cowley.


Logically, you would search for agencies who have carried out work in this area, and had experience in the field, and who once assigned to the case, would get on with it.

Now clearly Alphaig were 'manufactured' by Kennedy, and clearly achieved zip.

Pure speculaton on my part -  as I don't profess to know much about this 'area' of the case - but could it be that the 2 Detectives formed a company simply because rather than get into the realms of PAYE, Nat Ins. Holiday entitlement  etc etc (which the Fund  would have to get involved in if they were employed directly as individuals) -  as a self-employed partnership/company (whateva) ' they would just have to submit  an invoice for payment - full stop.     So maybe it was just for expediency and to keep the costs of the  fund down?   Who knows?

Edgar and Cowley have not 'disappeared', they have been 'stood down' for the time being to prevent the possibility of confusion or duplication whilst the SY investigation proceeds.  All their files were passed on to SY - as I'm sure you know.   So nothing sinister there - despite your efforts to suggest otherwise.

[Mr Gray]

Alphaig was manufactured.

Very clear cut, and then it disappeared into the ether, as have apparently  Edgar and Cowley.


Logically, you would search for agencies who have carried out work in this area, and had experience in the field, and who once assigned to the case, would get on with it.

Now clearly Alphaig were 'manufactured' by Kennedy, and clearly achieved zip.

you have not been able to find a firm with experience in this area...they do not exist because normally they are not needed as the police are competent....a

[Brietta]

Pure speculaton on my part -  as I don't profess to know much about this 'area' of the case - but could it be that the 2 Detectives formed a company simply because rather than get into the realms of PAYE, Nat Ins. Holiday entitlement  etc etc (which the Fund  would have to get involved in if they were employed directly as individuals) -  as a self-employed partnership/company (whateva) ' they would just have to submit  an invoice for payment - full stop.     So maybe it was just for expediency and to keep the costs of the  fund down?   Who knows?

Edgar and Cowley have not 'disappeared', they have been 'stood down' for the time being to prevent the possibility of confusion or duplication whilst the SY investigation proceeds.  All their files were passed on to SY - as I'm sure you know.   So nothing sinister there - despite your efforts to suggest otherwise.

If the work carried out by the private investigators paid for by Madeleine's fund was as ineffective as some suggest ~ why on earth are NSY incorporating some of it into their investigation?

Quote from DCI Redwood's Panorama interview  - He says that one big advantage that Operation Grange has is that for the first time it has access to all of the available evidence - and has it all in the one place.

“We are drawing together information from three separate sources,” says DCI Redwood. “The legal enforcement bodies within Portugal, the UK enforcement agencies of which the police are the main part, and also and unusually the private investigation world which as we know is an element that was used by Mr and Mrs McCann in the search for their daughter."

Pressed on why he thinks this is unique, DCI Redwood answers: “Because at no time before have those three elements been drawn together in one place.  And so what we’ve done over the past number of months is to bring to one place all those pieces of the jigsaw.”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2012/panorama-maddie.html

[jassi]

I notice that in that BBC interview, Redwood talks about information, not evidence.

[Brietta]

The message I'm getting is that whatever the opinion held, nobody seems to be too impressed by anything about the 'new' documentary; four hours of it and we can only seem to get animated about the status of two PIs.

Won't be too long now 'till the new book will be on the shelves, that will probably be worth discussion: that or some more news from the investigation.

[Angelo222]

Re stranger abductions, they are like hens teeth.  If you look at the link on this very forum showing what British children are currently missing you will see that they have been abducted by a parent.

[Alice Purjorick]

Re stranger abductions, they are like hens teeth.  If you look at the link on this very forum showing what British children are currently missing you will see that they have been abducted by a parent.

Ah but good sir that in is the UK. In Portugal absolutely everything is different and subject to different laws (in the wider sense of the word).
I know that to be true because I read it on that very same forum.