Jeremy Bamber - Review of Whole Life Tariff - European Court

[Angelo222]

I note with interest that admin has been conversing with former Bamber agent Giovanni di Stefano on twitter about his fraud allegations concerning the debacle at Rangers Football Club and asked him if he still believed Bamber to be innocent.

He insists that there was a third party involved and that Bamber is a million percent innocent.  Its worth a look.

@Justice_forum  on twitter.

[devils advocate]

I note with interest that admin has been conversing with former Bamber agent Giovanni di Stefano on twitter about his fraud allegations concerning the debacle at Rangers Football Club and asked him if he still believed Bamber to be innocent.

He insists that there was a third party involved and that Bamber is a million percent innocent.  Its worth a look.

@Justice_forum  on twitter.

I found his comments somewhat revealing.


@Justice_forum
Can we ask you Giovanni, as a former advocate for #Jeremy_Bamber, do you still hold with the opinion that he may be innocent?
GIOVANNI DI STEFANO ‏@DEVILSADVOKAT
but Jeremy has been his own worst enemy for pounding on about the silencer as is his right but the bamber issue rests on time of death which my expert said was no more than two hours before photo which is 7.30am that clears Jeremy

@Justice_forum
Not so. Bamber referring to an alleged telephone call > that Sheila was to blame he inadvertently put himself in the frame
GIOVANNI DI STEFANO ‏@DEVILSADVOKAT
not necessarily there was a third person anyway mr b has his own way and I wish him well and hope he gets out as he innocent.

GIOVANNI DI STEFANO ‏@DEVILSADVOKAT
bamber is a billion percent INNOCENT
@Justice_forum
Well that implies that Sheila is a billion percent guilty by default yet the real evidence says NO! Explain that if you can?

GIOVANNI DI STEFANO ‏@DEVILSADVOKAT
but you going great job on many well done wish more like you

[John]

I note with interest that admin has been conversing with former Bamber agent Giovanni di Stefano on twitter about his fraud allegations concerning the debacle at Rangers Football Club and asked him if he still believed Bamber to be innocent.

He insists that there was a third party involved and that Bamber is a million percent innocent.  Its worth a look.

@Justice_forum  on twitter.

I found his comments somewhat revealing.


@Justice_forum
Can we ask you Giovanni, as a former advocate for #Jeremy_Bamber, do you still hold with the opinion that he may be innocent?
GIOVANNI DI STEFANO ‏@DEVILSADVOKAT
but Jeremy has been his own worst enemy for pounding on about the silencer as is his right but the bamber issue rests on time of death which my expert said was no more than two hours before photo which is 7.30am that clears Jeremy

@Justice_forum
Not so. Bamber referring to an alleged telephone call > that Sheila was to blame he inadvertently put himself in the frame
GIOVANNI DI STEFANO ‏@DEVILSADVOKAT
not necessarily there was a third person anyway mr b has his own way and I wish him well and hope he gets out as he innocent.

GIOVANNI DI STEFANO ‏@DEVILSADVOKAT
bamber is a billion percent INNOCENT
@Justice_forum
Well that implies that Sheila is a billion percent guilty by default yet the real evidence says NO! Explain that if you can?

GIOVANNI DI STEFANO ‏@DEVILSADVOKAT
but you going great job on many well done wish more like you

He mentions time of death and his expert. 

So Giovanni's expert proffers an opinion without even having examined the body?  That makes real sense and just about as fantastic as Bambers latest new evidence.   

[only me]

Paul Glen, Phillip Heggarty, Mark Martin, Mark Hobson, William Horncy, Kenneth Regan ,Paul Culshaw, Glyn Dix, Daniel Gonzalez  Dembovskis, David Tiley, Michael Smith, Steve Wright, Levi Bellfield, Douglas Vinter, Marc Chivers, Peter Tobin, Royston Jackson, Peter Sutcliffe, Ernest Wright, Anthony Hardy, John Maden, Wilbert Dyce, Stephen Griffiths, John Sweeney, George Norman Johnson, John Cooper, David Baxendale, Danilo Restivo, Andrew Dawson, Michael Roberts and  David Cook.
 Oh dear, I missed these off the list, looks like we need the Isle of Man then.  )(**(*&^

Not sure that the folk on the Isle of Mann would be up for that, Joanne!   

[only me]

I don't think anywhere would, only Alcatraz or a floating condo on the Thames!

There must be a disused North Sea oil rig going begging somewhere?

[starryian]

A grim list indeed Joanne,
One only has to think of all the poor (and sadly in many cases forgotten) victims of these vile psychopaths for us to believe that four very thick thick walls and a very lost key may come in handy.
 >@@(*&)

[John]

I don't think anywhere would, only Alcatraz or a floating condo on the Thames!

@((*(&)  Joanne!!   Where have you been hiding??

Maybe we should have the death penalty after all in some cases?

[ActualMat]

What I don't understand is right, a person is so 'bad' they commit mass murder, rape etc and are given whole life tarrifs, well where exactly is Jeremy Bamber thinking he's ever going to go? Like a retirement viallage for mass sadists or a condo (condominium) like?

So we need a community scheme for-: Ian Brady, Trevor Hardy, Robert Maudsley, Dennis Nilsen, Arthur Hutchinson, John Childs, Anthony Entwhistle, Victor Miller, John Duffy, Robert Black, Victor Castigador, Anthony Arkwright, Peter Moore, Rose West, Anthony Sawoniuk and Jeremy Bamber (if I've got it right)?

Building contract to Giovanni De Stefano by March 2068 and anyone want to be the caretaker?

If Harold Shipman was still alive, I'd make him caretaker of all those murderers in their old age.

[Harvey]

Can't see the european court making one iota of difference to this whatever the outcome.  The UK Government will decide what is fit and proper punishment irrespective of what a european court decides.  IMO they will continue to hold him in custody for as long as he denies his guilt and then some.  When the Judicial review is completed in favour of the CCRC he will have no where left to run and might as well admit his guilt.  Can you just imagine the look on the faces of all those bleedin heart Mike Tesko types then?

[frank50]

You're right. Even if Bamber was to win in Europe  ( and I wouldnt rule it out at all - the Grand Chamber doesnt  give a toss about UK jurisdiction if it thinks its right) he wouldnt get parole unless he admitted his guilit and was no longer seen as a threat. Reggie Kray was given a 30 year tariff yet wasnt released until he was terminally ill.

Can't see the european court making one iota of difference to this whatever the outcome.  The UK Government will decide what is fit and proper punishment irrespective of what a european court decides.  IMO they will continue to hold him in custody for as long as he denies his guilt and then some.  When the Judicial review is completed in favour of the CCRC he will have no where left to run and might as well admit his guilt.  Can you just imagine the look on the faces of all those bleedin heart Mike Tesko types then?

[sika]

Kray didn't kill five members of his family.  They will NEVER let Bamber out, like they will never let Tobin,Brady, Sutcliffe or Huntley out.  It 'ain't happening.  He will never admit to the crimes, he is a coward. 

[starryian]

Kray didn't kill five members of his family.  They will NEVER let Bamber out, like they will never let Tobin,Brady, Sutcliffe or Huntley out.  It 'ain't happening.  He will never admit to the crimes, he is a coward.

Absolutely Sika,
These 'people' are murdering cowards, none more so than Bamber who up until now, has not got the guts to hold his hands up. He must now find himself in a quandry. His insufferable arrogance led him to believe that he would be released and that he could trick his way to freedom. Now he is beginning to realise that this is not going to happen any time soon.
He knows that his scheme to squirm out of his punishment and con his way to freedom by simply disseminating, twisting and lying didn't work. He has to now re-think. If he doesn't admit his guilt he will, without doubt spend the rest of his life in prison. However, he knows that if he admits his culpability and fakes some signs of remorse there is a very slight chance that when he is a geriatric he may just be released on license.
However, I will not hold my breath. His arrogance may be far stronger than his common sense.

[John]

It was rather amusing the other day when admin had an encounter with none other than Giovanni di Stefano.



Some will know of his colourful past when he claimed to be a lawyer and acted in some capacity for many monsters such as Saddam Hussein, Harold Shipman, Charles Bronson, Ian Brady, Tariq Aziz and indeed Jeremy Bamber.  Just to give you a little more insight, he was an friend and associate of former Serbian warlord Arkan who was gunned down in the lobby of a Belgrade hotel.  I should add that he has also a long list of criminal convictions for fraud, has denied many of them when he was convicted as John Stefano (Giovanni means John in Italian).  Just recently he was arrested in Spain on charges alleging further fraud and extradited back to the UK where he is now on bail.  A trial date has been set for January 2013.

You can read all about him here... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Di_Stefano_%28businessman%29

[John]

Anyway, to get back to the issue.  When tweeted by admin he assumed by the name Miscarriage of Justice? (he missed the ? at the end) that our forum somehow supported Bamber and congratulated us for a job well done. He has since realised his mistake and has blocked us on twitter. 

So so funny!   

[John]

Before the penny dropped he said something which got me thinking.  He more or less admitted that Jeremy wanted to do things his own way and was the driving force behind his own campaign.  It was his way or no way!

He was also adamant that there was a third party which I put down to Bamber himself.  This is the story Bamber told Julie Mugford and has probably told Stefan the same sorry tale.

Stefan does not seem to have got to grips with the Bamber story and couldn't even accept that by the evidence and the imaginary telephone call that it had to be Jeremy Bamber or Sheila Caffell.  His response to that question was "not necessarily".