Three Door Moves

[Brietta]

It is possible that the child got up between 9.10 and 9.30 and went into the other bedroom and slept there.
That would explain the child bedroom door moving from almost shut at 9.10 to wider open at 9.30.

Of course.  Anything is possible because because there is no evidence or proof apart from the fact of Madeleine's disappearance.
I do not subscribe to the 'theory' that Madeleine died accidentally and her body disposed of by her parents and friends.  Why would they?

[Wonderfulspam]

I don’t have a firm opinion on the moving door. 

It is possible that Madeleine could have gone to the toilet then back into bed; it is possible that an intruder opened it. 

I have no doubt that an intruder opened the window for some reason, possibly to enter; but I think point of entry was the wooden front door. 
Until recently I thought that was also the point of exit … but now think it possible that it could have been the bedroom patio door.

It is possible that Madeleine could have gone to the toilet then back into bed...

Sometime between 8.30 & 9.00 & she returned to the same sleeping position Gerry claimed she was in when he left her, on top of the covers, tucked up in bed, covers folded down.

[Wonderfulspam]

It is possible that the child got up between 9.10 and 9.30 and went into the other bedroom and slept there.
That would explain the child bedroom door moving from almost shut at 9.10 to wider open at 9.30.

Cuddlecat & her pink princess blanket were left on her bed....

[Wonderfulspam]

I don’t have a firm opinion on the moving door. 

It is possible that Madeleine could have gone to the toilet then back into bed; it is possible that an intruder opened it. 

I have no doubt that an intruder opened the window for some reason, possibly to enter; but I think point of entry was the wooden front door. 
Until recently I thought that was also the point of exit … but now think it possible that it could have been the bedroom patio door.

....Closing it & the shutters behind himself & then opening the child gate & closing it behind himself, or, he leapt off the balcony with her.

[Benice]

I don’t have a firm opinion on the moving door. 

It is possible that Madeleine could have gone to the toilet then back into bed; it is possible that an intruder opened it. 

I have no doubt that an intruder opened the window for some reason, possibly to enter; but I think point of entry was the wooden front door. 
Until recently I thought that was also the point of exit … but now think it possible that it could have been the bedroom patio door.

Me neither.  Especially as the change in air pressure when opening/closing the patio door could have caused the bedroom door to open more by itself.

I recently stayed with a friend and  my bedroom door was positioned similarly to how the bedroom door in 5A was to the patio doors  - except my door was at the top of the stairs.    The front door was directly in front of the bottom of the stairs.     The closing mechanism on my door was a bit dodgy and I had to really push it hard to get it to  'click' shut.    One morning someone opened and closed the front door -  and my bedroom door simultaneously opened about 6 inches.   (I obviously hadn't closed it properly the night before).   

There was no other reason for this to happen apart from the change in air pressure that was caused when the front door was opened/closed.

IMO that could have happened to Madeleine's bedroom door when Kate and Gerry opened the patio doors when they left to go to dinner - and possibly again when Gerry opened the patio doors at 9.05 -  and could explain Gerry's 'observation' that the door was more open when he returned to check.

I have no fixed opinions on how the position of the door was found to be in after that - but it is possible that the change in air pressure every time anyone opened and closed the patio doors played a part in it. 

[Brietta]

Me neither.  Especially as the change in air pressure when opening/closing the patio door could have caused the bedroom door to open more by itself.

I recently stayed with a friend and  my bedroom door was positioned similarly to how the bedroom door in 5A was to the patio doors  - except my door was at the top of the stairs.    The front door was directly in front of the bottom of the stairs.     The closing mechanism on my door was a bit dodgy and I had to really push it hard to get it to  'click' shut.    One morning someone opened and closed the front door -  and my bedroom door simultaneously opened about 6 inches.   (I obviously hadn't closed it properly the night before).   

There was no other reason for this to happen apart from the change in air pressure that was caused when the front door was opened/closed.

IMO that could have happened to Madeleine's bedroom door when Kate and Gerry opened the patio doors when they left to go to dinner - and possibly again when Gerry opened the patio doors at 9.05 -  and could explain Gerry's 'observation' that the door was more open when he returned to check.

I have no fixed opinions on how the position of the door was found to be in after that - but it is possible that the change in air pressure every time anyone opened and closed the patio doors played a part in it.

That is a more logical and simple explanation than the abductor hiding in the shadows … which I think was based on an anguished thought about what might have happened as Madeleine’s father tried to make sense of the horror.

One of the buildings I worked in had a door on the fourth floor which was always found to be open in the morning (unless locked) despite care being taken to ensure it was firmly closed at night, there was no rhyme or reason. 
Security told me that when doing their round one night they closed it and had only progressed a couple of yards before they heard it opening again … they didn’t stop to investigate … they just legged it.
No individual was going around opening the door when the building was empty or the alarms would have been activated ... so it must have been due to a change in pressure caused by a door or window being opened elsewhere in the building.

I think it likely that if the abduction was planned it was accomplished in minutes … it wasn’t a long drawn out  exercise … in and out … which makes the passing of the child through the window to an accomplice feasible although not certain … and I think the relevance of the phone pings at the appropriate times ties in with the planned abduction.

I don't attach much significance to the position of the door.

[Wonderfulspam]

'I don't attach much significance to the position of the door'

Kate & Gerry do.

[Eleanor]

'I don't attach much significance to the position of the door'

Kate & Gerry do.

So would I have done. 

Off Topic slightly, but I always know if someone has been into the Holiday House that I manage, if I haven't been informed by the owner beforehand.
Originally I knew this by instinct, and I was never wrong. But nowadays I leave doors and other things in a certain position just to be sure

[Wonderfulspam]

So would I have done. 

Off Topic slightly, but I always know if someone has been into the Holiday House that I manage, if I haven't been informed by the owner beforehand.
Originally I knew this by instinct, and I was never wrong. But nowadays I leave doors and other things in a certain position just to be sure

Neither of them would have looked in, if not for that door having been moved.

The movement of that door is significant.

Wind was it?

Draft when they opened the patio doors?

It didn't happen any other night, just by chance,  it only happened on the night Mr McCann claimed to be the last person to see his daughter (other than the Smiths), although he couldn't even remember if she was in bed or on top of the bleedin thing.

[Wonderfulspam]

'I think it likely that if the abduction was planned it was accomplished in minutes'

'Until recently I thought that was also the point of exit … but now think it possible that it could have been the bedroom patio door.'


So, you think it likely the 'abductor' entered the apartment via the noisy front door, closing and locking it behind him.

He enters the childrens bedroom, opens the window & shutters & takes Maddie from her bed, goes into the parents bedroom, opens the patio door & shutters, exits , closes the patio door & shutters behind him.... where upon he either leaves through the childgate, closing it behind him, or jumps over the balcony with her.

...and Maddie slept through it all.

[Brietta]

Neither of them would have looked in, if not for that door having been moved.

The movement of that door is significant.

Wind was it?

Draft when they opened the patio doors?

It didn't happen any other night, just by chance,  it only happened on the night Mr McCann claimed to be the last person to see his daughter (other than the Smiths), although he couldn't even remember if she was in bed or on top of the bleedin thing.

How do you know what happened on any other night? 

The night when Madeleine vanished is the night when such detail was of significance.

Just as the night Madeleine vanished was the night the window was opened and the shutter raised.

[Wonderfulspam]

How do you know what happened on any other night? 

The night when Madeleine vanished is the night when such detail was of significance.

Just as the night Madeleine vanished was the night the window was opened and the shutter raised.

Because he found it strange that it had moved, it wouldn't be strange if it had moved on other nights, it would be...
...... 'the wind has moved the door, again'.....

[Eleanor]

Neither of them would have looked in, if not for that door having been moved.

The movement of that door is significant.

Wind was it?

Draft when they opened the patio doors?

It didn't happen any other night, just by chance,  it only happened on the night Mr McCann claimed to be the last person to see his daughter (other than the Smiths), although he couldn't even remember if she was in bed or on top of the bleedin thing.

The Window Was Open.  Think about it.

[Wonderfulspam]

The Window Was Open.  Think about it.

If you believe Kate, &, not before Gerry's check anyway, he made no mention of gusty curtains, Matt mentioned no breeze or chill....

[jassi]

The question is - who opened it ?