Did Jeremy have the opportunity to dispose of his massacre clothes ?

[adam]

Jeremy's supporters are always claiming he would not have the opportunity to dispose of his massacre night clothes. Am I missing something ?

The clothes may not have ended up with much blood anyway. June, Sheila and the twins were shot without resistance. By a long rifle. So unlikely that any back splatter would hit Jeremy.

Neville also received his first four shots from a distance. There was a kitchen fight, but unless they were rolling around on the floor, Jeremy would have remained virtually blood free. Certainly most of it would go after a washing machine spin. He may have even met the police without changing. Just putting extra layers on. He was well clothed for August.

Anyway if he was covered in blood, he had a month to dispose of the evidence. During this time he went on several jolly ups with Brett, Julie and other buddies. To London, Eastbourne, Amsterdam & St Tropez. So could have disposed of clothes anywhere in England, or in two other countries.

Or he could even dispose of the clothes on the night. He knew the farm land very well.

Do other people think Jeremy did or did not have plenty of time to dispose of clothes ?
 

[John]

Jeremy's supporters are always claiming he would not have the opportunity to dispose of his massacre night clothes. Am I missing something ?

The clothes may not have ended up with much blood anyway. June, Sheila and the twins were shot without resistance. By a long rifle. So unlikely that any back splatter would hit Jeremy.

Neville also received his first four shots from a distance. There was a kitchen fight, but unless they were rolling around on the floor, Jeremy would have remained virtually blood free. Certainly most of it would go after a washing machine spin. He may have even met the police without changing. Just putting extra layers on. He was well clothed for August.

Anyway if he was covered in blood, he had a month to dispose of the evidence. During this time he went on several jolly ups with Brett, Julie and other buddies. To London, Eastbourne, Amsterdam & St Tropez. So could have disposed of clothes anywhere in England, or in two other countries.

Or he could even dispose of the clothes on the night. He knew the farm land very well.

Do other people think Jeremy did or did not have plenty of time to dispose of clothes ?

These murders were premeditated, Jerry had all the time in the world to conceive his murderous plan.  Hiding a change of clothing was the least of his problems. 

[adam]

These murders were premeditated, Jerry had all the time in the world to conceive his murderous plan.  Hiding a change of clothing was the least of his problems.

Strange. Even today, supporters were putting in a lot of effort to dispute that he could easily dispose of his murder clothes.

If they believe him innocent surely better arguments can be brought to the table.

[Holly Goodhead]

Jeremy's supporters are always claiming he would not have the opportunity to dispose of his massacre night clothes. Am I missing something ?

The clothes may not have ended up with much blood anyway. June, Sheila and the twins were shot without resistance. By a long rifle. So unlikely that any back splatter would hit Jeremy.

Neville also received his first four shots from a distance. There was a kitchen fight, but unless they were rolling around on the floor, Jeremy would have remained virtually blood free. Certainly most of it would go after a washing machine spin. He may have even met the police without changing. Just putting extra layers on. He was well clothed for August.

Anyway if he was covered in blood, he had a month to dispose of the evidence. During this time he went on several jolly ups with Brett, Julie and other buddies. To London, Eastbourne, Amsterdam & St Tropez. So could have disposed of clothes anywhere in England, or in two other countries.

Or he could even dispose of the clothes on the night. He knew the farm land very well.

Do other people think Jeremy did or did not have plenty of time to dispose of clothes ?

I have never found a satisfactory answer to the blood stained clothes soaking in buckets in the kitchen when raid team entered:

Shown in soc photo and would have been in direct line of vision of raid team entering kitchen but not noted on raid team statements and yet the following were:

blood drips on floor

phone off hook left on kitchen work surface

broken lampshade and crockery

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3905.msg146309#msg146309

If JB carried out the murders and was bold and brazen enough to think he could get away with it then I guess the opportunities, in terms of time and place, for him to have hidden any incriminating evidence were infinite.

He wasn't a hardened criminal so if responsible must surely have been cacking it thinking EP would be straight on to him?  Could he take a gamble psychologically?   If not he was limited surely to disposing at WHF, en route to GH or at GH?  I doubt if anything much was checked given that the relatives 'found' the silencer days later.

Did WHF have an incinerator?  AE's WS refers to Jean Boutell, the housekeeper, taking things outside to burn but think this may have just been a bonfire?   

[adam]

On the night, he could have put the clothes into another properties outside bins. He may have passed other farm houses on the way back. And lived in a street with other properties. If the rubbish vans were due to collect....

Otherwise he had lots of opportunities over the next month.

[Holly Goodhead]

On the night, he could have put the clothes into another properties outside bins. He may have passed other farm houses on the way back. And lived in a street with other properties. If the rubbish vans were due to collect....

Otherwise he had lots of opportunities over the next month.

As I said infinite 

Any ideas about the buckets?

[adam]

Buckets with blood stains. No idea. But nothing to do with events on the night in my view.

[Holly Goodhead]

Buckets with blood stains. No idea. But nothing to do with events on the night in my view.

Whoa hang on a sec... buckets found at the soc containing blood stained clothing in soak but just written off?

Why were they not on raid team statements?

Why were they not sent for forensic analysis?

How can you create a thread asking if JB had an opportunity to dispose of his massacre clothing and yet have no idea about buckets at the soc containing blood stained clothing in soak?

[adam]

Whoa hang on a sec... buckets found at the soc containing blood stained clothing in soak but just written off?

Why were they not on raid team statements?

Why were they not sent for forensic analysis?

How can you create a thread asking if JB had an opportunity to dispose of his massacre clothing and yet have no idea about buckets at the soc containing blood stained clothing in soak?

Do you think Jeremy changed at WHF & put his blood stained clothes in the bucket ?

No idea why they were not in the raid team statements. I do not know how their statements are compiled. Maybe more body location, and upturned furniture.

[Holly Goodhead]

Do you think Jeremy changed at WHF & put his blood stained clothes in the bucket ?

No idea why they were not in the raid team statements. I do not know how their statements are compiled. Maybe more body location, and upturned furniture.

Its a possibility but the fact remains they surely should have been sent for forensic examination?

Why cherry pick?  By this I mean the bloody silencer was analysed but not the bloody clothes/underwear in buckets?

Raid team noted blood droplets on kitchen floor and phone receiver off hook.  I guess things out the norm.  Is it the norm to have buckets in the kitchen containing blood soaked clothing?  Not in my homes? 

[adam]

Its a possibility but the fact remains they surely should have been sent for forensic examination?

Why cherry pick?  By this I mean the bloody silencer was analysed but not the bloody clothes/underwear in buckets?

Raid team noted blood droplets on kitchen floor and phone receiver off hook.  I guess things out the norm.  Is it the norm to have buckets in the kitchen containing blood soaked clothing?  Not in my homes?

What clothes were in the bucket ?

[Holly Goodhead]

What clothes were in the bucket ?

As far as I can see it is all contained here:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3905.msg146309#msg146309

[adam]

Thanks. So it is clothes in water. Sheila's underwear and tracksuit bottoms.

[Holly Goodhead]

Thanks. So it is clothes in water. Sheila's underwear and tracksuit bottoms.

Appears that way.  I've read posters on blue refer to the tracksuit bottoms belonging to the twins but as far as I'm aware the only info re the buckets/clothing is contained in the link which makes no ref to the twins clothing.  Initially AE refers to 3 buckets and then 2 but only 2 in soc photo.

[adam]

People have said Jeremy would not have been able to take his incriminating clothes abroad. The reason ? It would not get through customs !

I always thought thought customs were interested in drugs. Not drops of blood on clothes. Anyway the customs for the Amsterdam trip were not tight, as drugs were smuggled back by Jeremy.

As Holly said 'infinite opportunities'.