Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.

[Benice]

The dogs do tend to get you riled don't they.

IMO it's not the dogs who get people riled - it's the refusal by some folk to accept Martin Grime's statements about their abilities or his reasons why an alert by Eddie does not prove the presence of a dead body in the place where he alerted.




 

[faithlilly]

IMO it's not the dogs who get people riled - it's the refusal by some folk to accept Martin Grime's statements about their abilities or his reasons why an alert by Eddie does not prove the presence of a dead body in the place where he alerted.




 

It does not prove it but, as I said before, it indicates there was, when a blood alert has been excluded, a body in situ at some point.

[pathfinder73]

IMO it's not the dogs who get people riled - it's the refusal by some folk to accept Martin Grime's statements about their abilities or his reasons why an alert by Eddie does not prove the presence of a dead body in the place where he alerted.

McCann's Apartment.

The apartment in which the McCann's had stayed may present further opportunities to search. The use of a specialist EVRD (Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog) and CSI dog (human blood detecting dog) could potentially indicate on whether Madeline's blood is in the property or the scent of a dead body is present. In relation to the dead body scent if such a scent is indicated by the EVRD and no body is located it may suggest that a body has been in the property but removed. (Mark Harrison)

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm

The same dead body scent was alerted by the EVRD on their clothes. No blood was alerted to by the CSI dog.

[Benice]

McCann's Apartment.

The apartment in which the McCann's had stayed may present further opportunities to search. The use of a specialist EVRD (Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog) and CSI dog (human blood detecting dog) could potentially indicate on whether Madeline's blood is in the property or the scent of a dead body is present. In relation to the dead body scent if such a scent is indicated by the EVRD and no body is located it may suggest that a body has been in the property but removed. (Mark Harrison)

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm

The same dead body scent was alerted by the EVRD on their clothes. No blood was alerted to by the CSI dog.

That is only ONE possibility of why Eddie alerted.   There are several other reasons given by Martin Grime as to why Eddie would alert.     People may choose to ignore them - but I can assure you a court would not.    And neither do SY - who obviously have taken all the handlers comments on board - and not just selected one because it fits a certain agenda - which is what Amaral did.

[faithlilly]

That is only ONE possibility of why Eddie alerted.   There are several other reasons given by Martin Grime as to why Eddie would alert.     People may choose to ignore them - but I can assure you a court would not.    And neither do SY - who obviously have taken all the handlers comments on board - and not just selected one because it fits a certain agenda - which is what Amaral did.

So what does Martin Grime say the other reasons may be ?

[Benice]

So what does Martin Grime say the other reasons may be ?

Oh FGS Faith - it's been done to death over and over again on this forum.  I suggest you look back if you want to know - or alternatively read Martin Grimes statements - the information is all in there.

(Anyway I must go out now. )

[stephen25000]

IMO it's not the dogs who get people riled - it's the refusal by some folk to accept Martin Grime's statements about their abilities or his reasons why an alert by Eddie does not prove the presence of a dead body in the place where he alerted.




 

Now where does Martin Grime state that the dogs did not possibly alert to a body ?

[faithlilly]

Oh FGS Faith - it's been done to death over and over again on this forum.  I suggest you look back if you want to know - or alternatively read Martin Grimes statements - the information is all in there.

(Anyway I must go out now. )

Of course you must ! I'll look forward to furthering our conversation later.

Have a lovely day.

[Brietta]

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Now where does Martin Grime state that the dogs did not possibly alert to a body ?

Now where does Martin Grime state that the dogs did alert to a body?
 

[ferryman]

Now where does Martin Grime state that the dogs did alert to a body?

Yeah!

Martin (more or less! and if you discount irresponsible and unwarranted "opinions" about cadaver scent (and the like!) spoke the right language in his reports.

It was the way he handled dogs and the way he marshalled material for inspections that raised eyebrows.

Also the venues he (not Mark Harrison) chose for inspections: places Madeleine never lived in nor went near.

Why?

In particular, there is no clear explanation from the files of the inspection in the gym; only the one in Amaral's book (which I believe, almost as much as I believe in Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy) ...

[stephen25000]

Yeah!

Martin (more or less! and if you discount irresponsible and unwarranted "opinions" about cadaver scent (and the like!) spoke the right language in his reports.

It was the way he handled dogs and the way he marshalled material for inspections that raised eyebrows.

Also the venues he (not Mark Harrison) chose for inspections: places Madeleine never lived in nor went near.

Why?



In particular, there is no clear explanation from the files of the inspection in the gym; only the one in Amaral's book (which I believe, almost as much as I believe in Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy) ...

The raising eyebrows is from mccann supporters.

Then we come to the real fairy story, where there isn't a smitten of evidence that would stick in court.

Unless we see another repeat of the Dando case.

Then we have this as well..............


'  Operation Grange being conducted by a 'team consisting of homicide detectives'.  '

[Mr Gray]

It does not prove it but, as I said before, it indicates there was, when a blood alert has been excluded, a body in situ at some point.

nope....

[lordpookles]

'Suggestive' is the word Grime used I believe, but without corroborating evidence yada yada yada... everyone imo seems to ignore the fact that just because a dead body may have been in the apartment it does not mean the McCanns did it... I assume investigative authorities may consider this angle, but whether it is viable - no idea.

[slartibartfast]

'Suggestive' is the word Grime used I believe, but without corroborating evidence yada yada yada... everyone imo seems to ignore the fact that just because a dead body may have been in the apartment it does not mean the McCanns did it... I assume investigative authorities may consider this angle, but whether it is viable - no idea.

Some people seem to assume so hence the concern about the dogs.

[pathfinder73]

'Suggestive' is the word Grime used I believe, but without corroborating evidence yada yada yada... everyone imo seems to ignore the fact that just because a dead body may have been in the apartment it does not mean the McCanns did it... I assume investigative authorities may consider this angle, but whether it is viable - no idea.

The McCanns were the ones trying to discredit the dogs and the posse followed their leader. Gerry is still obsessed by them going from his last court appearance. These dogs are trained daily and have regular tests so they can perform their job properly and to the highest levels. Grime knows what his dogs alerted to but as you correctly say corroborating evidence is required.