Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.

[The General]

You might think you get my drift but it would be better to wait for my explanation

Was it different? Or is it now I said it?

[Mr Gray]

Is that a promise?

I'm looking forward to it...I think I can put everything  into perspective

[G-Unit]

I don't see anyone chomping at the bit... I have very good answers to all your points, and will post later when I'm not busy... I think I know why the prosecutors wanted grime and not a n other dog handler

Do you have a cite showing that the prosecutors asked for Grime to do the job?

[Mr Gray]

For the sake of clarity, Eddie was an EVRD which meant that his primary role was to find the bodies of victims which by default meant finding evidence. I don't think that can be any clearer?

That is exactly the point I was making... And is factual

[Mr Gray]

Do you have a cite showing that the prosecutors asked for Grime to do the job?

Why was Grime involved... Whose decision was it

[The General]

Have I made that claim... Why was Grime involved... Whose decision was it

May be because of his unquestionable experience, his unblemished record and unimpeachable character that drew the attention of prosecutors across the globe. Like a lot of expert witnesses, for example.

Edit: Moreover, he is so highly sought after, post his most high-profile job, the McCann case, which apparently was a total failure and of no evidential value. What an interesting paradox we have here.

[Mr Gray]

May be because of his unquestionable experience, his unblemished record and unimpeachable character that drew the attention of prosecutors across the globe. Like a lot of expert witnesses, for example.

Edit: Moreover, he is so highly sought after, post his most high-profile job, the McCann case, which apparently was a total failure and of no evidential value. What an interesting paradox we have here.

Grime managed to get a very lucrative contract based on the video of his time in PDL... What dies that tell us

[G-Unit]

I haven't looked yet..  They may be basically scientific but totally inadequate ...with little scientific value... Grime and Stickhan are not scientists

I don't know if a person needs to be a scientist to set up scientific tests. Stockham had a degree in Chemistry and a Masters in Forensic Science, He had peer reviewed scientific articles published in Forensic Science Communication and Forensic Science International.
https://swgdog.fiu.edu/membership/in-memory-of-rex-stockham/

[The General]

Grime managed to get a very lucrative contract based on the video of his time in PDL... What dies that tell us

$450 a day plus expenses is not 'very lucrative'.
What does it tell us though? That his services are highly valued.
I know what you're driving at, just say it. If there's any substance to it, you needn't worry.

[G-Unit]

Why was Grime involved... Whose decision was it

According to you it was because the prosecutors wanted him. Are you now withdrawing that statement?

[The General]

I don't know if a person needs to be a scientist to set up scientific tests. Stockham had a degree in Chemistry and a Masters in Forensic Science, He had peer reviewed scientific articles published in Forensic Science Communication and Forensic Science International.
https://swgdog.fiu.edu/membership/in-memory-of-rex-stockham/

Yeh, dude wears a white lab coat and oversized safety glasses - scientist.
What other credentials would one want?

[The General]

According to you it was because the prosecutors wanted him. Are you now withdrawing that statement?

I believe the omniscient one has painted himself in to a corner.

[Mr Gray]

According to you it was because the prosecutors wanted him. Are you now withdrawing that statement?

No I'm not... So who do you think wanted him... Question..

Has any American dog handler appeared in court and made the claims grime has... Was grime headhunter because he was the only person willing to make the claims that resulted in the alerts being admissable... In what other US cases have the alerts been admitted

[Mr Gray]

I don't know if a person needs to be a scientist to set up scientific tests. Stockham had a degree in Chemistry and a Masters in Forensic Science, He had peer reviewed scientific articles published in Forensic Science Communication and Forensic Science International.
https://swgdog.fiu.edu/membership/in-memory-of-rex-stockham/

So what peer review papers do we have fir the alerts... Stockham said he was setting up a scientific programme... Did he ever do it

[Vertigo Swirl]

Exactly.
I'm not interest in analysing the efficacy or science behind the detection method. It could be a sharp-eyed detective who finds a bullet casing that everyone missed - it's the analysis and subsequent results and interpretation of those results thereafter that is contentious / admissible / not admissible evidentially.
I've said it before - if Eddie, Morse or Keela were 60% right, so what? They're a detection tool. Ground penetrating radar needs you to dig down to an anomaly; a lot of the time there's b....r all down there, it's nowhere near an exact science, but it's pretty useful. You'd rather have the tools than not.

The problem we have here is that the 'finds' of the dogs don't jive with some supporters paradigm; to the point where their efficacy needs to be denigrated. Mr McCann started this process himself in quite a vociferous manner.

If ground penetrating radar indicated that something was there, you dug and found nothing, would the radar indications be used in court as evidence that something was there?