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Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #510 on: July 03, 2019, 10:53:39 PM »
Quote from: Davel on July 03, 2019, 10:51:44 PM
So what

So that leaves false alert, human cadaver or human blood.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #511 on: July 03, 2019, 10:54:19 PM »
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 03, 2019, 10:51:50 PM
Do you have any evidence of Keela alerting and forensic scientists recovering samples and the samples proved NOT to be blood?

It wouldnt be proved that the sample recovered was what was alerted to
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #512 on: July 03, 2019, 10:55:41 PM »
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 03, 2019, 10:53:39 PM
So that leaves false alert, human cadaver or human blood.

It can't be proved that the sample recovered was what the dog was alerting to
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Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #513 on: July 03, 2019, 10:57:40 PM »
Quote from: Davel on July 03, 2019, 10:46:20 PM
The video is, edited... Are you aware the PJ raised concerns that the digs alerted to places they had previously  ignored..
I posted the cite from the files many times

The important point is that the dogs alerts signposted the forensic team to areas where they may find samples of blood or human cellular material. They did so remarkably well.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #514 on: July 03, 2019, 11:00:09 PM »
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 03, 2019, 10:57:40 PM
The important point is that the dogs alerts signposted the forensic team to areas where they may find samples of blood or human cellular material. They did so remarkably well.

Where they may find... I would think theres DNA just about everywhere ..
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Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #515 on: July 03, 2019, 11:02:00 PM »
Quote from: Davel on July 03, 2019, 10:54:19 PM
It wouldnt be proved that the sample recovered was what was alerted to

Well you could run a test to see if they alerted to the sample if it was hidden - but your average juror would accept the sample for what it was... they wouldn't need proof that it was definitely what the dog alerted to.

Tell me why do you think the FBI use these dogs if they are of no value?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #516 on: July 03, 2019, 11:02:58 PM »
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 03, 2019, 11:02:00 PM
Well you could run a test to see if they alerted to the sample if it was hidden - but your average juror would accept the sample for what it was... they wouldn't need proof that it was definitely what the dog alerted to.

Tell me why do you think the FBI use these dogs if they are of no value?

When did I say they were if no value... Never...
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Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #517 on: July 03, 2019, 11:03:32 PM »
Quote from: Davel on July 03, 2019, 11:00:09 PM
Where they may find... I would think theres DNA just about everywhere ..

The dogs are trained to alert to blood not DNA.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #518 on: July 03, 2019, 11:04:47 PM »
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 03, 2019, 11:03:32 PM
The dogs are trained to alert to blood not DNA.

Do you think I don't know that.. I'm off now
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Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #519 on: July 03, 2019, 11:05:43 PM »
Quote from: Davel on July 03, 2019, 11:02:58 PM
When did I say they were if no value... Never...

Oh good - glad you agree that they are useful in alerting at what they are trained to alert to.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #520 on: July 03, 2019, 11:06:58 PM »
Quote from: Davel on July 03, 2019, 11:00:09 PM
Where they may find... I would think theres DNA just about everywhere ..
Yes you might be right technically ... but not of a particular species and in identifiable quantities ... but will you accept that .... hardly from experience  .... but we are all getting older and none the wiser ... but what's good for the goose is also good for the gander.
« Last Edit: July 03, 2019, 11:08:59 PM by Robittybob1 »
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #521 on: July 03, 2019, 11:17:28 PM »
Quote from: Faithlilly on January 20, 2015, 10:29:03 PM
Cadaver odour takes around one and a half to two hours to develop. The McCanns left the apartment at 8.30-8.45. Madeleine disappeared before 10pm. The maths really isn't difficult.

If the dogs are correct Madeleine must have been dead before her parents left the apartment and it is for that fact alone that the dogs credibility has to be undermined.
Interesting.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #522 on: July 03, 2019, 11:27:55 PM »
Quote from: Faithlilly on January 20, 2015, 10:29:03 PM
Cadaver odour takes around one and a half to two hours to develop. The McCanns left the apartment at 8.30-8.45. Madeleine disappeared before 10pm. The maths really isn't difficult.

If the dogs are correct Madeleine must have been dead before her parents left the apartment and it is for that fact alone that the dogs credibility has to be undermined.
Yet the PJ accept Gerry McCann's statement Madeleine was alive at the time of Gerry's visit.  To me rather than trying to prove an earlier death time, why not look at moving the body at a later time.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #523 on: July 03, 2019, 11:47:40 PM »
The PJ won't accept anything said by GM as he's not been cleared. The body would be moved away from the crime scene before the alarm was raised in that theory but you suggest it could be moved later. If so, where is the body hidden before the later move?
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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #524 on: July 04, 2019, 01:38:39 AM »
Quote from: pathfinder73 on July 03, 2019, 11:47:40 PM
The PJ won't accept anything said by GM as he's not been cleared. The body would be moved away from the crime scene before the alarm was raised in that theory but you suggest it could be moved later. If so, where is the body hidden before the later move?
It comes back to that bag in the wardrobe.  It is in the photo taken at night but doesn't appear to be there in the next day photo.  Who moved that bag and when?
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