Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

No it isn't... Wrong

If Maddie died in 5a and was removed within 30 to 45 mins there would be no alert
It takes time, fir the odour to develop

No alert by Eddie.... apart from an alert to blood, you mean? I still see the issue here. There was no blood found in the cupboard and Grime’s experience (plus lack of body) led him to conclude the scent in the cupboard might be airborne VOCs that had collected in that area because of the airflow in the unused apartment. Was any questions asked about that sports bag? Or did GA settle for Grime’s explanation?

One thing is almost certain. The source of the cadaver odour in 5A must have been in the apartment for a minimum of 85 minutes.

[barrier]

That's an awful lot of Ifs.

There are two big if's imo,If Madeleine was abducted where the devil is she,If Madeleine died in 5a where the devil is she,bearing in mind the digs and Dick recently saying she is unsure if it ever will be solved.

[Lace]

Strange isn't it,  Eddies eagerness to get into 5a is explained as Eddie has scented something,   yet Eddie's eagerness to leave the rooms,  isn't,   Eddie hasn't scented anything.   IMO

[faithlilly]

There's a lot of assuming going on.  Eddie nearly galloped down the path to 5a, before he got anywhere near the front door, and I very much doubt any cadaver odour would travel that far.  I think Eddie knew he was going for his fun game.

Yet he didn’t think he was going for his ‘fun game’ in the other apartments. Why not ?

[Lace]

Yet he didn’t think he was going for his ‘fun game’ in the other apartments. Why not ?

Fed up by then.

[Lace]

No alert by Eddie.... apart from an alert to blood, you mean? I still see the issue here. There was no blood found in the cupboard and Grime’s experience (plus lack of body) led him to conclude the scent in the cupboard might be airborne VOCs that had collected in that area because of the airflow in the unused apartment. Was any questions asked about that sports bag? Or did GA settle for Grime’s explanation?

One thing is almost certain. The source of the cadaver odour in 5A must have been in the apartment for a minimum of 85 minutes.

Who said it was a sports bag?   What if Eddie had been sniffing where the dirty washing would have been kept?  Not only by the McCann's but by the other families who stayed in 5a after the McCann's.   

[Eleanor]

No.... and that’s an emphatic no.

Thank you. Where did that attending post mittens with cuddle cat come from, do you know? Was it something Clarence fed to the press?

These claims came from The Mirror Forum many years ago, along with a load of other old rubbish.

Oh My, those were the days.  They came thick and fast.  A Syringe found in 5a.  Calpol Night, which wasn't even on sale in those days.

Try The Myths Topic.  Most of them are on there.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

The time frame of the evening of 3rd May 2007 of course.

It’s of central importance. The time from 17:30 - 22:15 is of particular interest. To conclude Madeleine McCann’s death in the apartment that day you have to have a minimum of 85 minutes that she lay dead inside the apartment. Important to note that the body doesn’t need to be in one place. Is this possible between the last independent sighting and the alarm being raised?

[Holly Goodhead]

No alert by Eddie.... apart from an alert to blood, you mean? I still see the issue here. There was no blood found in the cupboard and Grime’s experience (plus lack of body) led him to conclude the scent in the cupboard might be airborne VOCs that had collected in that area because of the airflow in the unused apartment. Was any questions asked about that sports bag? Or did GA settle for Grime’s explanation?

One thing is almostcertain. The source of the cadaver odour in 5A must have been in the apartment for a minimum of 85 minutes.

How come?  Why not potentially a shorter period?

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

There are two big if's imo,If Madeleine was abducted where the devil is she,If Madeleine died in 5a where the devil is she,bearing in mind the digs and Dick recently saying she is unsure if it ever will be solved.

Also bear in mind that GM is extremely confident her body will not be found, IMO.

[Eleanor]

Yet he didn’t think he was going for his ‘fun game’ in the other apartments. Why not ?

Martin Grime didn't give him half a chance, In My Opinion.  And Eddie was getting tired by then.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Strange isn't it,  Eddies eagerness to get into 5a is explained as Eddie has scented something,   yet Eddie's eagerness to leave the rooms,  isn't,   Eddie hasn't scented anything.   IMO

But Eddie alerted in more than one place. I suggest, with all respect, you read some forensic science articles on canine alerts and cadaveric VOCs. Your statement is not plausible, IMO.

[faithlilly]

I've no idea where Mr Fenn died but we can see from the Shannon Matthews case the potential for contamination is significant ie second-hand furniture obtained from dwellings where someone had died.

Based on the construction of apartments I think the potential for odours to seep downwards as opposed to sideways might be the answer.  I say this on the basis that I once lived in an apartment and despite being a non-smoker I detected on occasions the smell of cigarettes which I could only put down to the woman who lived below who was a smoker.  I think the smell may have emanated from the plumbing as all doors and windows were closed.  The woman was an every day smoker but I could only detect it very infrequently.

But you’re hypothesising that the cadaver smell was coming from Mrs Fenn’s apartment yet, as far as we know, cadaver odour does not ‘seep’ through walls and further there is no evidence any of Mrs Fenn’s furniture was second hand or that her husband had not died in hospital or indeed that she had transferred any of the clothing/items associated with him at his death to her new home.

Would you care to answer my question re-the rest of the tapas group’s lack of cadaver contamination?

[Mr Gray]

How come?  Why not potentially a shorter period?

Billy means the cadavrr must have been in 5a for 85 min

[faithlilly]

Was 5a the first apartment Eddie searched?    In which case he was eager to start.   The apartment was close up and it was a hot day,  you could tell by the way Eddie was panting that he was hot.   Other families had stayed in 5a after the McCann's so who knows what smells were left from them.IMO

Yet no alerts in any property associated with the rest of the tapas group or Murat. Why not ?