Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.

[Vertigo Swirl]

No. You would need to examine the forensic evidence to give you that answer.

I've come across various scenarios: Falling from the sofa; falling from the sofa after ingesting sedative drugs; falling from the sofa after IV injection of drugs; drowning in the bath; allergic reaction to sedative drugs followed by unsuccessful CPR; falling from sofa followed by unsuccessful CPR. These are all just theories (as is abduction by a stranger) put forward on the internet. We would need a proper forensic investigation to truly establish the facts.

We would also need to consider why, with at least one parent in the apartment when this death allegedly occurred, that the parents considered a cover up over seeking the assitance of the emergency services.  That IMO precludes an innocent accident, and leads to a conclusion of foul play.  Do you not agree?

[Mr Gray]

No. You would need to examine the forensic evidence to give you that answer.

I've come across various scenarios: Falling from the sofa; falling from the sofa after ingesting sedative drugs; falling from the sofa after IV injection of drugs; drowning in the bath; allergic reaction to sedative drugs followed by unsuccessful CPR; falling from sofa followed by unsuccessful CPR. These are all just theories (as is abduction by a stranger) put forward on the internet. We would need a proper forensic investigation to truly establish the facts.

Children don't fall off sofas and die

[Vertigo Swirl]

Children don't fall off sofas and die

Nor do children fall off sofas and die in front of their parents who then decide to cover up the death and stage an abduction.

[The General]

Children don't fall off sofas and die

Course they do

[Mr Gray]

With all respect I personally believe that forensic scientists have better research and evaluation methods of cadaver dog efficacy than does your good self.

Depends what questions they are trying to answer.

How reliable are the alerts of the dogs in an actual search

Are they liable to make false alerts to remnant scents of
Blood

Sanitary towells
Rotten meat
Stale urine
Faeces
Sweaty socks etc
I'm talking about remnant scent when the articles have been removed

Are dogs affected by operator bias
Will dogs tire and simply alert

Current science hasn't answered these questions so I don't think they're doing a very good job

[The General]

Children don't fall off sofas and die

I said, course the do!

[Mr Gray]

Course they do

No they don't... Give me one example from anywhere in the world..

If children do have a fatal head injury from fall then death is caused by subdural haemorrhage which takes about 12 to 24 HRS to kill.... Unless they fall from a reasonable height

[The General]

No they don't... Give me one example from anywhere in the world..

If children do have a fatal head injury from fall then death is caused by subdural haemorrhage which takes about 12 to 24 HRS to kill.... Unless they fall from a reasonable height

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Baby-Dies-Fall-From-Couch-Dad-Feeds-Walks-Away-Bronx-NYC-321107781.html

[The General]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2769810

[The General]

Why? Because due to the fall mechanics and the low height, the body rarely has a chance to make a full rotation, so many falls result in head and spine trauma.

[Vertigo Swirl]

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Baby-Dies-Fall-From-Couch-Dad-Feeds-Walks-Away-Bronx-NYC-321107781.html

The parents called the ambulance because the child didn’t die straight away.  Any examples of a child dying instantly from falling off a sofa?  Because that is the required scenario here to fit the known facts.

[The General]

The parents called the ambulance because the child didn’t die straight away.  Any examples of a child dying instantly from falling off a sofa?  Because that is the required scenario here to fit the known facts.

*squeak, squeak, squeak*
That's the sound of goalposts on wheels being moved.

[Vertigo Swirl]

My mother was distracted momentarily when I was on the changing table as a baby and I rolled off and hit my head on the tiled floor below.  My head apparently doubled in size.  Some might say this accounts for a lot of things.   

[Vertigo Swirl]

*squeak, squeak, squeak*
That's the sound of goalposts on wheels being moved.

Not really, think about it.  Madeleine falls off sofa when her parents are there.  She dies instantly so they cover it up - why?  She is injured but not yet dead - why wouldn’t they they call emergency services?

[The General]

Not really, think about it.  Madeleine falls off sofa when her parents are there.  She dies instantly so they cover it up - why?  She is injured but not yet dead - why wouldn’t they they call emergency services?

*keerrrrrrrannnnkkkk* Goalposts fell over (and died)
Not what Davros asked. He was veeeery specific, which given my legendary total lack of rigor, made the task easy even for me.