Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.

[ShiningInLuz]

That is true.  Reasons for the alerts could have been prior, during McCann's stay in 5A or after they left.

But what VS was wanting, correct me if I'm wrong, is to understand how cadaver odour could have developed in the case of MBM based on a time frame.

I can live with that.

As the dogs were not deployed within 30 minutes or 85 minutes, it is a non-question.  That is the point.

If someone knows what, precisely, was behind the sofa at the time the police arrived, it might be of interest.

As we don't, it's not relevant.

[ShiningInLuz]

sil also needs to realise that any accident in 5a does not necessarily involve the shedding of any blood

As I never said it did, what is your point, davel?

[Mr Gray]

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Baby-Dies-Fall-From-Couch-Dad-Feeds-Walks-Away-Bronx-NYC-321107781.html

Head and body injuries...no names given... Sounds very suspicious... So one is claimed but no name..no official cause of death... I'll have to rule that inadmissible

[The General]

Head and body injuries...no names given... Sounds very suspicious... So one is claimed but no name..no official cause of death... I'll have to rule that inadmissible

Whatevs. Rule what you like to suit your ego.

[Mr Gray]

As I never said it did, what is your point, davel?

My point is you still haven't explained why the time frame is 3 months... Your posts are not making sense.

[Vertigo Swirl]

*keerrrrrrrannnnkkkk* Goalposts fell over (and died)
Not what Davros asked. He was veeeery specific, which given my legendary total lack of rigor, made the task easy even for me.

To be fair to Davel I think he probably meant died instantly- this isn’t the first time this has been discussed believe me!

[Vertigo Swirl]

As the dogs were not deployed within 30 minutes or 85 minutes, it is a non-question.  That is the point.

If someone knows what, precisely, was behind the sofa at the time the police arrived, it might be of interest.

As we don't, it's not relevant.

So the dog alerts are not relevant, we agree on something at last.

[Mr Gray]

Whatevs. Rule what you like to suit your ego.

No.. I asked for an example... You haven't given one.  You've given an unnamed father claiming his infant fell off the sofa and died from head and body injuries..no names.. No follow up... What was the cause if death... How long did the child take to die... Was the father eventually charged with child abuse...why did the article say no arrests have been made as yet

[ShiningInLuz]

My point is you still haven't explained why the time frame is 3 months... Your posts are not making sense.

My posts are making perfect sense.

 

[ShiningInLuz]

So the dog alerts are not relevant, we agree on something at last.

There you go again.  I never said that, so why do you claim it?

[Mr Gray]

My posts are making perfect sense.

 

Only to you... For a cadaver dog to alert to a cadaver a body would have to have been in situ for at least an hour...that's the timeframe being discussed

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

We would also need to consider why, with at least one parent in the apartment when this death allegedly occurred, that the parents considered a cover up over seeking the assitance of the emergency services.  That IMO precludes an innocent accident, and leads to a conclusion of foul play.  Do you not agree?

I do agree. It’s a bit pointless to speculate but I could suggest a hypothesis of foul play. What if there was evidence of recent abuse, for example? Or perhaps traces of phenergan which parents would have trouble explaining. With a cardiologist and anaesthetist present you could attempt CPR without emergency services. I agree that such scenarios seem far fetched but the dog alerts are more indicative of a death in 5A then there is evidence to support an abduction by a stranger

[Mr Gray]

I do agree. It’s a bit pointless to speculate but I could suggest a hypothesis of foul play. What if there was evidence of recent abuse, for example? Or perhaps traces of phenergan which parents would have trouble explaining. With a cardiologist and anaesthetist present you could attempt CPR without emergency services. I agree that such scenarios seem far fetched but the dog alerts are more indicative of a death in 5A then there is evidence to support an abduction by a stranger

Phenergan would be very easy to explain... A touch of hayfever

[Vertigo Swirl]

There you go again.  I never said that, so why do you claim it?

OK, in your opinion, what is the relevance of the dog alerts?  What do they tell us?

[jassi]

Only to you... For a cadaver dog to alert to a cadaver a body would have to have been in situ for at least an hour...that's the timeframe being discussed

You have a problem with that ?