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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #765 on: July 05, 2019, 05:55:39 PM »
Quote from: Davel on July 05, 2019, 05:40:09 PM
You make no sense whatsoever

Classic davel. 

Post that we agree on something.

Then immediately afterwards post that I make no sense whatsoever.

Brian Rix could possibly have used it.   (&^&
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Offline The General

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #766 on: July 05, 2019, 05:57:24 PM »
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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #767 on: July 05, 2019, 05:59:13 PM »
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 05, 2019, 05:47:12 PM
If the significance of the dog alerts is that they alerted and that the alerts tell us nothing more than  that the dogs alerted  then I would contend that they are irrelevant.

Obviously they are not.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #768 on: July 05, 2019, 05:59:59 PM »
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2019, 05:55:08 PM
What if the parent who was present was in the shower and didn’t hear or witness the fall?
What if they were?  Would you come out of the shower and a) call the emergency services or b) concoct an abduction scenario?  You could claim the accident happened after your shower so...
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #769 on: July 05, 2019, 06:00:17 PM »
Quote from: ShiningInLuz on July 05, 2019, 05:59:13 PM
Obviously they are not.
Why are they not irrelevant?
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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #770 on: July 05, 2019, 06:02:53 PM »
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 05, 2019, 05:48:31 PM
I used the word timeframe in my post to mean the evening of May 3rd 2007.  Not any time between the beginning of the universe and July 2007.

What's that got to do with the price of chips?

E&K were not deployed on 3 May 2007, were they?
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Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #771 on: July 05, 2019, 06:04:03 PM »
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 05, 2019, 05:29:23 PM
85 minutes according to Billy’s research.

But it doesn’t have to be in situ (as in one place) for 85 minutes. The body must be 85 minutes post mortem for a reliable cadaver odour alert. A body could be moved to another spot in a house, for example, and as long as it was 85 minutes after the time of death then a cadaver dog could be expected to make a reliable alert (about 90% - 100% of the time)
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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #772 on: July 05, 2019, 06:06:27 PM »
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 05, 2019, 06:00:17 PM
Why are they not irrelevant?

12 years on and the dogs keep on running.

The alerts happened.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #773 on: July 05, 2019, 06:07:00 PM »
Quote from: The General on July 05, 2019, 05:57:24 PM
https://www.aap.org/en-us/about-the-aap/aap-press-room/pages/Soft-Furniture-Doesnt-Cushion-Risk-of-Falls-by-Young-Children.aspx

Children are injured but not fatally... Have you read the article
You still haven't shown a child who has died falling off a sofa.. Then we have the fact when children do have fatal head injuries death is far from instant
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #774 on: July 05, 2019, 06:08:16 PM »
Quote from: ShiningInLuz on July 05, 2019, 06:02:53 PM
What's that got to do with the price of chips?

E&K were not deployed on 3 May 2007, were they?
No they weren’t but what has that got to do with the question I asked? 
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #775 on: July 05, 2019, 06:08:35 PM »
Quote from: ShiningInLuz on July 05, 2019, 06:06:27 PM
12 years on and the dogs keep on running.

The alerts happened.
So what?
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #776 on: July 05, 2019, 06:11:22 PM »
Quote from: Billy Whizz Fan Club on July 05, 2019, 06:04:03 PM
But it doesn’t have to be in situ (as in one place) for 85 minutes. The body must be 85 minutes post mortem for a reliable cadaver odour alert. A body could be moved to another spot in a house, for example, and as long as it was 85 minutes after the time of death then a cadaver dog could be expected to make a reliable alert (about 90% - 100% of the time)
Yes I know that.  For Madeleine to be dead an in the arms of Smithman she must have died no later than 8.30pm. 
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #777 on: July 05, 2019, 06:13:57 PM »
Quote from: ShiningInLuz on July 05, 2019, 05:55:39 PM
Classic davel. 

Post that we agree on something.

Then immediately afterwards post that I make no sense whatsoever.

Brian Rix could possibly have used it.   (&^&

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.... Now that's what I call a classic response
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #778 on: July 05, 2019, 06:14:25 PM »
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 05, 2019, 06:00:17 PM
Why are they not irrelevant?

No dog alerts will be irrelevant to the Met - they are presently using them in the search for Suzy Lamplugh.

Death dogs help search for Cheltenham-born murdered estate agent Suzy Lamplugh in woodland near Tewkesbury

"The cadaver dogs used in the investigation into missing schoolgirl Madeleine McCann and murdered Newent woman Kate Prout have been spotted at the dig."

"Officers from the Metropolitan Police started searching a field outside Drakes Broughton near Pershore on Wednesday after receiving new evidence."

https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/cheltenham-news/death-dogs-help-search-cheltenham-3053873
« Last Edit: July 05, 2019, 06:18:40 PM by pathfinder73 »
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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.
« Reply #779 on: July 05, 2019, 06:18:34 PM »
Quote from: pathfinder73 on July 05, 2019, 06:14:25 PM
No dog alerts will be irrelevant to the Met - they are presently using them in the search for Suzy Lamplugh.

"The cadaver dogs used in the investigation into missing schoolgirl Madeleine McCann and murdered Newent woman Kate Prout have been spotted at the dig."

"Officers from the Metropolitan Police started searching a field outside Drakes Broughton near Pershore on Wednesday after receiving new evidence."

https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/cheltenham-news/death-dogs-help-search-cheltenham-3053873
If the dogs alert in the Suzy Lamplugh case, and the dig and find an ancient burial site, what relevance will the alerts be to the disappearance of Suzy Lamplugh?
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