Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Hypothetical reply to hypthotical questions by Davel- If you must interject please do try and read what is typed and not try and associate me with making accusations.

Thank you.

You made the association, not me.  I was pointing out how irrelevant it was, not accusing you.  If you disagree kindly argue your point, Thank you.

[ShiningInLuz]

I am very happy forr others to be the judge of who is posting nonsense here.  If anyone else knows what the hell point SIL is trying to make kindly make yourselves known and explain it to me.  Don’t all rush at once!

Don't worry about it.

I am well placed to understand when you are posting nonsense.

[Mr Gray]

As we are discussing a hypothosis the reply could be:

if maddie ahd an accident why didnt teh mccanns simply call teh emergency services
This has already been explained- child protection along with the post mortom may show up previous injuries relating to abude of some sort.

it doesnt explain how the mccanns were able to act normally at dinner
Oh look at this cool as a cucumber father- lovely man!
"
Last year, Chris Watts, a 33-year-old Colorado man, murdered his pregnant wife Shannan and two daughters, 4-year-old Bella and 3-year-old Celeste, and buried their bodies in an oil work site. Although Watts initially denied having any involvement with his wife’s and daughters’ deaths, he later confessed to strangling Shannan and suffocating his two daughters, which, prosecutors argued, he did because he was having an affair with another woman and wanted to leave his family. "

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/chris-watts-family-murder-colorado-why-803957/

it doesnt explain why the mccanns have kept the case in the public eye for 12 years rather than just allowing it to fade away and be forgotten.

They = financial gain to begin with?  To sell their version of what happened and to slag off everyone who didn't believe them.  SELF protection imo!

all in the hypothetical way ofcourse.

further evidence of parents who can keep calm and put on a show  after cremeting their 6 children...

https://www.google.co.uk/search?client=opera&hs=vLq&ei=zpAfXdLIE4zUwQLqy5K4Bw&q=mick+philpott+interview&oq=philpott+interview&gs_l=psy-ab.1.1.0i7i30l4j0l2j0i30j0i8i30l2.9492.9492..17171...0.0..0.102.102.0j1......0....1..gws-wiz.GZubsucJSu4

just lots more speculation .....you could just say the mccanns might be  the two most evil poeple who ever lived
and have done all this to satisfy their perverse personalities....in fact I think thats what some sceptics believe...LOL

[Miss Taken Identity]

You made the association, not me.  I was pointing out how irrelevant it was, not accusing you.  If you disagree kindly argue your point, Thank you.

Not responding to your pathetic attempt to goad.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Not responding to your pathetic attempt to goad.

Your choice.  There was no goading in my post, no insults like “pathetic” or “learn to read”, etc.  Bye.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Don't worry about it.

I am well placed to understand when you are posting nonsense.

Rude.

[Mr Gray]

Don't worry about it.

I am well placed to understand when you are posting nonsense.

we can just let those watching this thread...5 guest in total....make their own minds up

[Vertigo Swirl]

we can just let those watching this thread...5 guest in total....make their own minds up

I am posting nonsense apparently, I’m sure someone will be along shortly to back up SIL’s point, and point out why my input is nonsense *twiddles thumbs in the meantime*

[Miss Taken Identity]

just lots more speculation .....you could just say the mccanns might be  the two most evil poeple who ever lived
and have done all this to satisfy their perverse personalities....in fact I think thats what some sceptics believe...LOL

Well Davel, I am sure some people do believe that of the Parents. BUT you did ask for a reply to a hypothetical theory-I gave hypothetical reply so what is the issue? if you don't want a reply don't ask questions-Simple

[Mr Gray]

Well Davel, I am sure some people do believe that of the Parents. BUT you did ask for a reply to a hypothetical theory-I gave hypothetical reply so what is the issue? if you don't want a reply don't ask questions-Simple

i expected a reply

[Wonderfulspam]

Does there need to be?  We all know the dad dunnit, it’s always the parents, just ask Spam.

I never said it was always the parents that dunnit.

But let's face it, a lot of the time it is.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

It would seem that there were concerns over the training and monitoring of sniffer dogs in general - during Eddie and Keela's time with the police force.

Quote from Skye.

"Police sniffer dogs used to find missing people and dead bodies "urgently" need better training and monitoring, according to an official report.

The Government's National Policing Improvement Agency (NPIA) said specialist victim recovery dogs are not trained to approved standards, with no way of gauging their competence.  The NPIA reviewed the use of the specialist sniffer dogs two years ago, but its report has only now surfaced following a request by Sky News.  "There is no consistency in what the dogs can do and how it is done," the report states.  "Furthermore, there is no national standard for accrediting dogs and handlers or record keeping of the success rate they achieve."

The report added the dogs, which are trained to detect the smell of dead bodies, have "the potential to cause complications in an inquiry".  "There is an urgent need to have national policy on their training, accreditation and deployment," it concluded.

The review uses a kidnap investigation to highlight how dogs have tied up valuable police time.  The animals detected human remains in old furniture that had been bought from houses where the owner had died.  The use of victim recovery, or cadaver dogs, has proved to be controversial in a number of high-profile cases in recent years.  A South Yorkshire Police spaniel called Eddie was said to have sniffed out the "scent of death" at the Haut de la Garenne children's home in Jersey and the apartment from which Madeleine McCann disappeared in Portugal.  But in both cases nothing more was found and South Yorkshire Police say Eddie is no longer working with them.

Sniffer dogs hindered the police probe into Shannon Matthew's disappearance

Victim recovery dogs from four different police forces were used during searches for kidnapped schoolgirl Shannon Matthews in Dewsbury in West Yorkshire in 2008.  The dogs found evidence of dead bodies, but officers later discovered the corpses were nothing to do with her disappearance.  "The properties searched contained a high level of second-hand furniture bought from dwellings where someone had died,"  according to the NPIA report.

"This resulted in numerous indications that required further investigation to confirm whether they were connected to the investigation, or to previous owners of the furniture."

The Association of Chief Police Officers told Sky News it was consulting individual police forces and hoped to have national training standards for the dogs later this year. "
 

The "indications" referred to above were proved to be correct alerts to the presence of cadaver odour. Even if training methods require more robust accreditation and better record keeping it doesn't detract from the fact that the trained and specialised dogs are not known to correctly alert to cadaver odour 90-100% of the time in forensic science research tests. Why do you think the FBI use them? They are a highly valuable tool to recover evidence.

[Mr Gray]

The "indications" referred to above were proved to be correct alerts to the presence of cadaver odour. Even if training methods require more robust accreditation and better record keeping it doesn't detract from the fact that the trained and specialised dogs are not known to correctly alert to cadaver odour 90-100% of the time in forensic science research tests. Why do you think the FBI use them? They are a highly valuable tool to recover evidence.

The dogs are a highly valuable tool in recovering evidence
they detect cadaver odour with a very high degree of accuracy ...but
proper tests do not seem to have been carried out to test if they respond to remnant scent of other materials

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

So what accident are you thinking that would make a parent react by covering up, rather than seeking help straight away?  As I said earlier,  if you want to be dishonest you can save yourself a lot of bother by claiming the accident happened after you got out of the shower.  What’s the worst that could happen to you?

Why would you want to claim it happened after you got out of the shower?

In my hypothetical scenario the child is dead remember.

As for wanting a motive not to call the emergency services, I'll give you another hypothetical scenario. What if the parent(s) had given a child oral phenergan at bedtime and then jumped in the shower. The child got out of bed and somewhat drowsy fell from the back of a sofa or nearby windowsill. The child is knocked unconscious and the airway is obstructed. Complete airway obstruction leads to asphyxia (hypoxia plus hypercarbia) and cardiac arrest within five to ten minutes. The parent wants to hide the fact that their administration of phenergan may well be seen as a contributory factor at autopsy. In this scenario you would have a motive to cover up  the death.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

cite

Don't you follow your own posts?.... "I have never said they are of no value" was pretty much how you put it.