Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.

[Robittybob1]

Yes it’s possible that Madeleine was dead before the McCanns left the apartment, and if that is so, then we can almost certainly rule out an accident.  Got any theories as to what might have caused her death?

Accidents could happen at anytime.  Would that accident have been witnessed by the toddlers?

[Mr Gray]

Don't you follow your own posts?.... "I have never said they are of no value" was pretty much how you put it.

pretty much how i put it...so what exactly do you claim I said

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

just lots more speculation .....you could just say the mccanns might be  the two most evil poeple who ever lived
and have done all this to satisfy their perverse personalities....in fact I think thats what some sceptics believe...LOL

Stranger abduction hypothesis in this case is also speculation. Statistically its also far less common than parental involvement. But never mind statistics we have a dog alerting to cadaver odour and another to the likely presence of human blood. These dogs don't alert to nappies, sweaty feet, faeces, urine and rotting food btw.

They could alert to sanitary towels but who was throwing them behind the sofa?

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

pretty much how i put it...so what exactly do you claim I said

I'm sure you can find it.

[Mr Gray]

Stranger abduction hypothesis in this case is also speculation. Statistically its also far less common than parental involvement. But never mind statistics we have a dog alerting to cadaver odour and another to the likely presence of human blood. These dogs don't alert to nappies, sweaty feet, faeces, urine and rotting food btw.

They could alert to sanitary towels but who was throwing them behind the sofa?

If you apply statistics to this particular case I think you will find stranger abduction far far more likely than parental involvemnet

[Robittybob1]

That's impossible without knowing when a body was removed from the apartment.

IMO and for the sake of an hypothesis let's suppose the body was removed 21:45. (Keeping the body in a bag in the cupboard overnight is surely too risky once an alarm has been raised). The latest time for a reliable estimate of a time of death is 20:20. The last independent sighting was somewhere around 17:30. IMO I would suggest time of death for this scenario must be between 17:30 and 20:20. Based on this hypothesis David Payne's evidence may be crucial. We need to explore the inconsistencies of his and Kate McCann's account of his visit to 5A, IMO.

By saying (Keeping the body in a bag in the cupboard overnight is surely too risky once an alarm has been raised) you seem to be blaming the McCanns for putting a body in the bag.

Kate spent a lot of time in her own room in a very distraught state.  Could her state have distracted others from having a proper search in the main bedroom?

In my theory it isn't Kate that put the cadaver in the bag, so she is not aware that her distress is preventing a search for a cadaver in that room.

[Mr Gray]

I'm sure you can find it.

im not looking...you made the claim but if you cannot substantiate it...

[Robittybob1]

If you apply statistics to this particular case I think you will find stranger abduction far far more likely than parental involvemnet

Start the ball rolling then.  Try and prove that bold guess.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Your example of a cool as a cucumber dad is irrelevant unless a) you believe that like him the McCanns are calculating murderers and b) Chris Watts was required to go out to dinner and have a convivial evening with his friends minutes after committing the murders, and appeared completely relaxed and at ease.

No in the hypothesis you have to believe that the parents have a vested interest in concealing accidental death and can stay relatively calm and functional despite this awful tragedy and grief. They don't have to be "calculating murderers"

[Mr Gray]

Start the ball rolling then.  Try and prove that bold guess.

Ive explained it many many times...parents not suspects...no evidence against them after 12 years...so what are the chances of parental involvemnet

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

If you apply statistics to this particular case I think you will find stranger abduction far far more likely than parental involvemnet

How so?

[Mr Gray]

How so?

see above.....and if you dont please point where the fault is in my logic

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

By saying (Keeping the body in a bag in the cupboard overnight is surely too risky once an alarm has been raised) you seem to be blaming the McCanns for putting a body in the bag.

Kate spent a lot of time in her own room in a very distraught state.  Could her state have distracted others from having a proper search in the main bedroom?

In my theory it isn't Kate that put the cadaver in the bag, so she is not aware that her distress is preventing a search for a cadaver in that room.

In my hypothesis I'm not sure which parent put the body in the bag. It would be interesting to know to what extent the apartment was searched in this hypothetical scenario. The visit by the friend at bedtime / shower time is also of massive importance. I have to go back to the statements they gave to the PJ and LP.

[G-Unit]

Eddie checked the garden out;

9.49 to 10pm: The cadaver dog "marks" an area of the garden immediately below the window.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EDDIE-KEELA.htm

An unlocked patio door. A child who's missed her evening playtime. A Daddy who is over there. Handy furniture for climbing up on to see Daddy and maybe her playmates.

I wonder why Russell seemed to have a particular time in mind?

 if there had been an accident or something terrible, they’ve got four other Consultants or Senior Doctors within a, you know, you know on the tennis courts or within a short shout
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm

[jassi]

By saying (Keeping the body in a bag in the cupboard overnight is surely too risky once an alarm has been raised) you seem to be blaming the McCanns for putting a body in the bag.

Kate spent a lot of time in her own room in a very distraught state.  Could her state have distracted others from having a proper search in the main bedroom?

In my theory it isn't Kate that put the cadaver in the bag, so she is not aware that her distress is preventing a search for a cadaver in that room.

I thought she had Fiona for company most of the time.

Good ploy to keep potential searchers away though