Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Not really,   he knew she was wearing something that just about covered her.   How was he going to explain that he glanced at Kate and saw her trying to cover herself up with something.

But he says he was there for 5 minutes and that he had a conversation with KM. IMO the fact that she was dressed only in a towel would not be something he couldn't remember.

[faithlilly]

This fall would need to be near instantaneous to fit with any cover up theory, yet it seems extremely unlikely that a fall off a sofa would result in instant death.

But a fall from a balcony could.

[Eleanor]

But he says he was there for 5 minutes and that he had a conversation with KM. IMO the fact that she was dressed only in a towel would not be something he couldn't remember.

So sorry you were deprived of a chance to add to the rumours of Swinging.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

David Payne is obviously a gentleman.  A dying breed that some of you know nothing about.

Why is he acting like "a gentleman"?.... because she is dressed only in a towel!! This stands out when you call round on a friend.

Yet when this doctor is in a crucial interview where the recollection of facts are essential:

00:41:00 1485 "Okay, so now what I'm gonna try and ask you to recollect, what everybody was wearing.'
 Reply "I'm afraid that is, you know I'm, I cannot recall at all. I know that's, you'd think that'd be an obvious thing to remember, I cannot remember. As I say the, from the children point of view predominantly I can remember the, you know, white, but I couldn't say exactly what they were wearing. Err''
 1485 "But could you remember what Kate was wearing for example''
 Reply "I can't, no.' "

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

So sorry you were deprived of a chance to add to the rumours of Swinging.

I read about them. I couldn't find any credible evidence.

[Mr Gray]

But a fall from a balcony could.

Possibly broken neck... But wouldnt this have attracted attention if it was outside

[Eleanor]

Why is he acting like "a gentleman"?.... because she is dressed only in a towel!! This stands out when you call round on a friend.

Yet when this doctor is in a crucial interview where the recollection of facts are essential:

00:41:00 1485 "Okay, so now what I'm gonna try and ask you to recollect, what everybody was wearing.'
 Reply "I'm afraid that is, you know I'm, I cannot recall at all. I know that's, you'd think that'd be an obvious thing to remember, I cannot remember. As I say the, from the children point of view predominantly I can remember the, you know, white, but I couldn't say exactly what they were wearing. Err''
 1485 "But could you remember what Kate was wearing for example''
 Reply "I can't, no.' "

Perhaps you could tell us why it was essential to know what Kate was wearing.

[faithlilly]

Were they 'sort of standing'  and 'at peace'   I thought they were looking at story books whilst Kate had a quick shower.   

As for David Payne,  he probably looked away from Kate, it bit embarrassed probably.

I don't for one moment believe that the McCann's went to dinner to laugh and joke after an accident that killed Madeleine.   Jez said Gerry was normal talking normally.   The reaction to finding Madeleine was missing and not found was how they behaved correctly,  devastated, shocked,   totally inconsolable.   IMO

Then surely if he’d done that he’d be more likely to remember what she wore ?

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Could you give me a link to where David Payne said the children were 'sort of standing' please?

Sorry... it was "generally" standing up.... not "sort of".

 1485 "And did you actually set eyes on each individual child''
 Reply "All three children I saw, yeah.'

1485 "And were they standing up' Sitting down''
 Reply "Err they were generally standing up, yeah.'

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Perhaps you could tell us why it was essential to know what Kate was wearing.

It indicates she has had a shower or bath whilst being the only parent in the apartment with the children.... and incidentally contradicting the account written by the PJ following the early interview.

[Eleanor]

It indicates she has had a shower or bath whilst being the only parent in the apartment with the children.... and incidentally contradicting the account written by the PJ following the early interview.

Which earlier interview?

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

KMs account is also contrary to her husbands account, unless she had a shower at 18:30 and a bath at 19:30.

 The hygiene done, the children were put to bed about 19h30, it being that the deponent and KATE left for dinner at the TAPAS at 20h30. Between 19h30 and 20h30 they took a bath and drank wine, Portuguese or New Zealand, and a beer.

[Eleanor]

KMs account is also contrary to her husbands account, unless she had a shower at 18:30 and a bath at 19:30.

 The hygiene done, the children were put to bed about 19h30, it being that the deponent and KATE left for dinner at the TAPAS at 20h30. Between 19h30 and 20h30 they took a bath and drank wine, Portuguese or New Zealand, and a beer.

You must surely realise that Kate didn't do both.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Which earlier interview?

The interview with the PJ on May 4th

"Thursday May 3rd 2007
Yesterday, after the daily routine, Madeleine and the twins went to bed at around 7.30. They were in their respective beds. The interviewee and her husband stayed in their apartment to relax until 8.30pm. She took a bath, did her make-up and drank a glass of New Zealand wine with her husband. "

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

You must surely realise that Kate didn't do both.

Exactly!!!!!!!!

Yet she told Police both versions?