Eddie and Keela and what the alerts meant if anything.

[ShiningInLuz]

That was premeditated murder.  Is that what happened here in your view?

You said "... So for this to be the case we must accept that the McCanns were ablee to appear completely untroubled by this event ..."

And I replied to you.

[Eleanor]

Exactly!!!!!!!!

Yet she told Police both versions?

Which Police?

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

In September we have the shower version from KM (which differs considerably with DPs account):

 "After showering, at around 6:30/6:40PM and while she was getting dry, she heard somebody knocking at the veranda door. She wrapped herself in a towel and went to see who it was. This door was closed but not locked as Gerry had left by this door. She confirmed it was David Payne, because he called out and had opened the door slightly. David's visit was to help her to take the children to the recreation area. When David returned from the beach he was with Gerry at the tennis courts, and it was Gerry who asked him to help Kate with taking the children to the recreation area, which had been arranged but did not take place. David was at the apartment for around 30 seconds, he didn't actually enter the flat, he remained at the veranda door. According to her he then left for the tennis courts where Gerry was. The time was around 6:30-6:40PM."

[Mr Gray]

You said "... So for this to be the case we must accept that the McCanns were ablee to appear completely untroubled by this event ..."

And I replied to you.

And you replied with a post that had little relevance to the topic.
We are being asked to believe by some that thr mccanns found their daughter dead and immediately came up with a plan to cover it up and were able to go to dinner acting as if nothing had happened

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Which Police?

The PJ.

Bath version in May. Shower version in September.

 IMO (and it's pure speculation) she could have maintained the bath version but DP had seen her in a towel... and err you know... err he probably err didn't remember you know err if he'd told the Police that... err or not.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

And you replied with a post that had little relevance to the topic.
We are being asked to believe by some that thr mccanns found their daughter dead and immediately came up with a plan to cover it up and were able to go to dinner acting as if nothing had happened

More credible than the dogs being wrong 11 times and only towards one family.

These dogs are proven to be accurate, by forensic science research, 90-100% of the time.

[Lace]

But he says he was there for 5 minutes and that he had a conversation with KM. IMO the fact that she was dressed only in a towel would not be something he couldn't remember.

I doubt if he was there for five minutes  sounds as though he has no sense of time,  he popped in said it was a bit early for them to be going to bed Kate replied they were all exhausted and he left that wouldn't have taken five minutes.   There was questions as to how long it took him to go to the McCann's house maybe that and the conversation with Kate took five minutes.   Maybe Kate was looking from around the bathroom?  He could see she had something on but he was not sure what it was.

[ShiningInLuz]

you are describing one man with an obvious personality disorder...who probably showed signs of this disorder previously. What we re being asked to accept is taht the mccanns had personality disorders which had not been expressed previously or since...and their group of friends covered up several serios crimes which would make them criminally involved too. do you think the tapas would donate their libel win to a fund they knew to be fraudulent

I was responding to a point made by Verti, as to whether after such an act, can someone appear convivial and friends not put on alert.  It happened in this instance.

Why drag in the T7, when they may be perfectly innocent and unknowing?

[Mr Gray]

More credible than the dogs being wrong 11 times and only towards one family.

These dogs are proven to be accurate, by forensic science research, 90-100% of the time.

They are not proved to be accurate... That's the problem you and others have.
They have been shown to be accurate at detecting cadaver odour if it's present... That's all

[Mr Gray]

I was responding to a point made by Verti, as to whether after such an act, can someone appear convivial and friends not put on alert.  It happened in this instance.

Why drag in the T7, when they may be perfectly innocent and unknowing?

In any realistic scenario the T7 would have to be involved

[ShiningInLuz]

If you are going to quote cases could you post more detail so they can be checked out otherwise your claims have little credibility

I watch such programmes for amusement, not to xref them to the MM case.

It was by pure coincidence that I read Verti's attempt to demolish the 'ability to remain convivial' angle shortly thereafter.

My post seems to have struck a nerve though.

[Mr Gray]

I watch such programmes for amusement, not to xref them to the MM case.

It was by pure coincidence that I read Verti's attempt to demolish the 'ability to remain convivial' angle shortly thereafter.

My post seems to have struck a nerve though.

You think you've struck a nerve... You havent

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

I doubt if he was there for five minutes  sounds as though he has no sense of time,  he popped in said it was a bit early for them to be going to bed Kate replied they were all exhausted and he left that wouldn't have taken five minutes.   There was questions as to how long it took him to go to the McCann's house maybe that and the conversation with Kate took five minutes.   Maybe Kate was looking from around the bathroom?  He could see she had something on but he was not sure what it was.

All we can go on is what he actually said to Police about the encounter:

On May 4th 2007 he doesn't mention it.

In the April 2008 interview with LP he says "five minutes" and then when pressed later "three to five minutes"

 1485 "How many minutes, you said as a matter of minutes and then you went back and then you played tennis.'
 Reply "Mm.'

1485 "I'm gonna pin you down and ask you how long you think you were in there for. I know you say minutes.'
 Reply "In their apartment, it, it, I'd say three minutes, five maximum.'

1485 "Three to five''
 Reply "Yeah.'

[Eleanor]

The PJ.

Bath version in May. Shower version in September.

 IMO (and it's pure speculation) she could have maintained the bath version but DP had seen her in a towel... and err you know... err he probably err didn't remember you know err if he'd told the Police that... err or not.

Ah, more Translation Errors.  Thank you for finding this.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

They are not proved to be accurate... That's the problem you and others have.
They have been shown to be accurate at detecting cadaver odour if it's present... That's all

They have not been shown to alert to faeces, urine, nappies or cooked meat as some implied.

If they were inaccurate it wouldn't be 11 times towards items relating to only one family. These results are indicative of a correct response.