Author Topic: Deviant: Jeremy Bamber And The White House Farm Murders by Paul Harrison  (Read 21014 times)

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Offline Holly Goodhead

http://www.fishpond.com.au/Books/Deviant-Paul-Harrison/9781904091929

"Penned by crime writer and former police officer Paul Harrison, Deviant is the only book on the subject written by someone in attendance at the 1986 trial of Jeremy Bamber, accused of murdering five members of his family in the dead of night at White House Farm in Essex.A culmination of three decades of research, in the course of this work the author has interviewed all the key investigative police officers and lawyers, and communicated with the convicted murderer and a number of his associates.The investigation has taken the author around the globe arousing a great deal of publicity and, in the process, antagonised the small band of fanatical supporters of the killer resulting in a number of death threats. The author has also incurred the displeasure of Essex Police, highlighting incompetence and internal subterfuge, issues which clearly hampered the prosecution of the crime.With startling evidence never before seen and a dramatic conclusion this, for the first time in print, is the real story of what happened the night three adults and two children were bludgeoned and shot to death at White House Farm."

About the Author

"A police officer covering three decades, Paul Harrison operated in a number of investigative roles and was for a time an undercover officer. He was one of the first in the UK to work closely with the FBI on psychological profiling and, as a result of further research, he has interviewed many serial killers and mass murderers across the globe, collating crime profiles on each one. Since retiring from the police he has become a crime writer and historian, a field in which he is highly regarded and through which he has become a popular speaker at police and crime writing conferences. He also acts as a media crime consultant working with authors and writers in creating police and crime storylines and is credited with creating professional personalities of some of the best known detectives on television.He has a number of books to his name including Dancing with the Devil, the story of Glasgow serial killer Bible John, and is currently working on a book covering the lives and psychology of killers he has interviewed and another featuring some of the worst inmates of Wakefield's notorious prison.Away from a life of police and crime, he is an ardent football supporter and suffers the travails of his hometown club, Leeds United."


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« Last Edit: August 02, 2015, 07:31:17 PM by John »
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Angelo222

We have heard all this baloney before in other real life cases as book sales is the name of the game.

One observation, the three adults and two children were not bludgeoned and shot to death at White House Farm so nil ponts to Waterstones for the intro...bad start!!



http://www.waterstones.com/book/deviant/paul-harrison/9781904091929
« Last Edit: June 13, 2015, 11:16:53 AM by Angelo222 »
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Holly Goodhead

I would strongly recommend anyone intending to read 'Deviant' also reads Paul Harrison's book:

"The Cupboard Under the Stairs: A Boy Trapped in Hell..."

It is available as an e-book from Amazon using their free reading app: Whispernet:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Cupboard-Under-Stairs-Trapped/dp/1845967895

I would describe the book as a sort of auto-biography.  Two things stood out for me.  Firstly Paul tells how he failed his maths CSE exam at school and also the police entrance exams as he struggled with maths.  Lots of people struggle with maths so nothing particularly significant in this.  However Paul then goes on to describe all sorts of horrors with his family, school teachers, employers, and just about everyone he ever encounters.  This ranges from claims of serious abuse to being beaten up senseless by absolute strangers for no apparent reason.  I found myself coming back to one recurring question, based on the laws of probability what are the statistical chances of all this happening to one seemingly average guy born in Carlisle in 1959 and bred in the UK? 

Secondly it appears his police career wasn't plain sailing.  As I said he failed his entrance exams circa 1977 but his father, also a serving officer, apparently pulled a few strings.  He then details roles of dog handler, armed officer on nuclear convoy escort duties (he was firearm trained) and undercover intelligence officer dealing with football hooliganism.  Apparently his last months of active service, circa 1997, were littered with confrontations with senior police officers and those in authority.  After sustaining injuries while on duty that caused  him to be classed as 'disabled' he was forced into a period of rehabilitation.  He suffered damage to his knees from which he would never fully recover.  Although he doesn't say how this damage occurred.  Apparently the official line from the police was that he no longer fulfilled the criteria for being an active police officer as he  was unable to kneel, bend or rely on his knees to support him.  He doesn't actually ever make reference to any rank, or working closely with the FBI on psychological profiling as claimed above.       
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Myster

Shall I go for the one with the more attractive cover (and prettiest author), or the earth-shaker that's (hopefully) going to end the Bamber saga once and for all?



.. or maybe plump for the cheaper of the two hardbacks.  Just noticed that Foyles have cut the 'Deviant' pre-order price by 2.80, so it's now only 11.19 plus free devilry. 

But is that thick low enough for pugsy and her wonky whotsit?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Shall I go for the one with the more attractive cover (and prettiest author), or the earth-shaker that's (hopefully) going to end the Bamber saga once and for all?



.. or maybe plump for the cheaper of the two hardbacks.  Just noticed that Foyles have cut the 'Deviant' pre-order price by 2.80, so it's now only 11.19 plus free devilry. 

But is that thick low enough for pugsy and her wonky whotsit?

If it is I think she will need to turn the cover as those eyes staring up her leg will send her running for the hills  8)><(
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline puglove

If it is I think she will need to turn the cover as those eyes staring up her leg will send her running for the hills  8)><(

Too right. I'm not having those beady mincers peering at my wonky whotsit.

I don't really feel inclined to throw any more money at books about Bamber. I'm sure I'll get the gist of both books on here, and I'm equally sure that if either book contained something earth-shattering it would have leaked out by now, to boost sales. Who, apart from a few crime-geeks and a handful of others, is going to buy these books?

(Sorry, DarcySarto, if you're who I think you are    8(8-)) )
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Offline puglove

Too right. I'm not having those beady mincers peering at my wonky whotsit.

I don't really feel inclined to throw any more money at books about Bamber. I'm sure I'll get the gist of both books on here, and I'm equally sure that if either book contained something earth-shattering it would have leaked out by now, to boost sales. Who, apart from a few crime-geeks and a handful of others, is going to buy these books?

(Sorry, DarcySarto, if you're who I think you are    8(8-)) )

Mincers = mince pies, eyes.

Wonky whotsit =

www.youtube.com/watch?v=wayRYHG0kUo
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Mincers = mince pies, eyes.

Wonky whotsit =

www.youtube.com/watch?v=wayRYHG0kUo

Goodnight petal x
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline puglove

Goodnight petal x

Goodnight, duck.  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Much as I love you, I don't understand why you insist on supporting Bamber. I hate to labour a point, but if there was any human blood in the silencer, it HAD to be Bamber.

I hope he dies, lonely and scared.

I will never forgive him for killing the boys.

Karma, baby!!!
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Goodnight, duck.  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Much as I love you, I don't understand why you insist on supporting Bamber. I hate to labour a point, but if there was any human blood in the silencer, it HAD to be Bamber.

I hope he dies, lonely and scared.

I will never forgive him for killing the boys.

Karma, baby!!!

I don't support JB per se just think in all probability he's a MoJ and test my theories/arguments!  I don't believe anyone, even Mike, would support a double child killer if they thought for one moment JB was responsible.



Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline puglove

I don't support JB per se just think in all probability he's a MoJ and test my theories/arguments!  I don't believe anyone, even Mike, would support a double child killer if they thought for one moment JB was responsible.

Hang on, Holl.....Mike Tesko? Fat little bloke, wears clothes from Oxfam, lives in sheltered housing, eats Monster Munch, would nick the gold out of your teeth, solves crimes with his dog........are we using HIM as a point of reference now?       &%+((
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Hang on, Holl.....Mike Tesko? Fat little bloke, wears clothes from Oxfam, lives in sheltered housing, eats pickled onion flavoured Monster Munch, would nick the gold out of your teeth, solves crimes with his dog........are we using HIM as a point of reference now?       &%+((

Lowest common denominator  8((()*/

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

http://www.fishpond.com.au/Books/Deviant-Paul-Harrison/9781904091929

"Penned by crime writer and former police officer Paul Harrison, Deviant is the only book on the subject written by someone in attendance at the 1986 trial of Jeremy Bamber, accused of murdering five members of his family in the dead of night at White House Farm in Essex.A culmination of three decades of research, in the course of this work the author has interviewed all the key investigative police officers and lawyers, and communicated with the convicted murderer and a number of his associates.The investigation has taken the author around the globe arousing a great deal of publicity and, in the process, antagonised the small band of fanatical supporters of the killer resulting in a number of death threats. The author has also incurred the displeasure of Essex Police, highlighting incompetence and internal subterfuge, issues which clearly hampered the prosecution of the crime.With startling evidence never before seen and a dramatic conclusion this, for the first time in print, is the real story of what happened the night three adults and two children were bludgeoned and shot to death at White House Farm."

About the Author

"A police officer covering three decades, Paul Harrison operated in a number of investigative roles and was for a time an undercover officer.He was one of the first in the UK to work closely with the FBI on psychological profiling and, as a result of further research, he has interviewed many serial killers and mass murderers across the globe, collating crime profiles on each one. Since retiring from the police he has become a crime writer and historian, a field in which he is highly regarded and through which he has become a popular speaker at police and crime writing conferences. He also acts as a media crime consultant working with authors and writers in creating police and crime storylines and is credited with creating professional personalities of some of the best known detectives on television.He has a number of books to his name including Dancing with the Devil, the story of Glasgow serial killer Bible John, and is currently working on a book covering the lives and psychology of killers he has interviewed and another featuring some of the worst inmates of Wakefield's notorious prison.Away from a life of police and crime, he is an ardent football supporter and suffers the travails of his hometown club, Leeds United."

Talking about Wakefield prison reminded me of the above highlighted in red.  As far as I can see PH has no relevant qualifications to undertake professional assessment of prisoners?  I've no idea what the rules are with authors in this regard?  Can anyone turn up at a high security prison on the basis they want to interview and write about prisoners?  When David James Smith, journalist, interviewed JB for The Times he had to jump through many hoops:

"It has taken months to reach this moment, and I have jumped through many hoops to make it happen, layer after layer of permissions have been necessary, up through the highest echelons of government".

http://davidjamessmith.net/pdf_articles/DJS_bamber.pdf

I guess PH might not necessarily be referring to face-to-face interviews but interviews conducted via letters?

PH often refers to the psychological profiling of criminals eg above and in the Scottish Express article:

"He added: "Having studied and worked within psychological and criminal profiling since the late 1980s, I know how the criminal mind works".

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/524489/Mass-killer-Jeremy-Bamber-s-threat-to-Scots-author-Harrison

According to PH's book, which I described as a sort of auto-biography, he was a Detective Sergeant in 1989 and left the police force around 1997 circa 38 yoa.  Something about this doesn't quite ring true:

1.  Profiling involves a lot of statistical work and by PH's own admission his maths is very poor failing his maths CSE exam and the police entrance exams (father who was a serving officer pulled a few strings and he was given the answers).

2.  I'm not sure what PH was doing during his last circa 8 years of service ie whether he was promoted but if his rank remained at Detective Sergeant I'm surprised he was one of the first to be picked to work with the FBI on criminal profiling?

3.  He appears to have been invalided out of the police force with a small lump sum payment.  This was on the basis that he no longer fulfilled the criteria for being an active police officer as he was unable to kneel, bend or rely on his knees to support him.  But if he had a desk based job working with the FBI on criminal profiling  would physical fitness be a necessary requirement?

I really couldn't give a flying fig what anyone writes about JB whether they be posters, authors, journalists or anyone.  Everyone has right to express his/her opinion/views as far as I'm concerned but what I don't like is BS.

On a separate note PH states in his book he despised wrongdoing and corruption in the police force and yet he seems to fail to note the irony in that his entrance into the police force was based on wrongdoing and corruption  @)(++(*

Perhaps Reader on Blue hit the nail on the head from the off when he picked up on one of PH's posts where PH stated he hated deliberate lies and Reader pointed out that all lies are by definition deliberate  @)(++(*
« Last Edit: June 18, 2015, 10:23:21 AM by Holly Goodhead »
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Actually PH's book refers to his rank as sergeant.  I think I must have got carried away with the detective bit!  He may well have been a detective but I can only see reference to the title of sergeant.  Apparently a detective is plain clothed, trained in criminal investigations and attached to CID but equal in rank to their uniformed counterparts.

See relevant section for role and duties of sergeant:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergeant#United_Kingdom

This shows the rank structure:

https://www.policeuk.com/police_ranks.php

Basically Sergeant is one rank from entry level of Constable.

Have other ex-officers turned to writing?  Albert Kirby intends to write a book.  He reached the rank of Detective Superintendent:

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/james-bulger-remembered-albert-kirby-3322230
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?